Time for a new #introduction post. Hello! My name is Gosha, and I'm a middle aged dude living in London with my partner and our daughter. My day job is in software building, and I'm interested in many topics, including photography, music, cycling, travel, etc. These days I'm mostly trying to (re)discover new layers of meaning, and to learn to live life as intentionally as I can, making many mistakes in the process.
Here's a picture of my daughter and I taken by my partner, @Tingyi 
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@s@bdx.town
@hi Aw thank you
We had another kid since this intro was written!
@hi
id probably focus first on having the lowest-friction alternative(s) with the most feature parity ready to go with an explanation of how to do so - people are way less likely to be willing to make a change without a known, solid alternative that doesn't seem like the world's biggest pain to switch to
today @holo_memory and i launched 3 new MNT Pocket Reform related products on the shop, check them out:
- Pocket Reform Mainboard 2.0 with lots of little goodies incl. USB-C DisplayPort alt-mode and closed-case debugging via USB-C https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-mainboard-2-0
- the improved Pocket Keyboard PCB 2.0 with a "bring your own switches" option and new browns (tactile) switches option https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-keyboard-pcb-2-0
- Pocket Keyboard USB-C adapter (for recovery/programming or standalone use) https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-keyboard-usb-c-adapter
so cool! will this go into all unshipped pockets or just ones ordered now?
@lislegaard @holo_memory good question which i'm not perfectly prepared for today, other than there are cutoff dates in the backlog that we'll know better in the coming days, depending on stock levels of the previous versions
@mntmn @holo_memory Oh whoa I didn't realize these were all so close to being ready! :D
Now to decide if I want to get super custom with the keyboard switches...
doing some MNT Reform Next production part checks, esp. cables and some PCBs... can't believe it's starting to come together after those years
@mntmn super fascinating to follow!
Is there or will there be an option for a mobile LTE/5G modem for the MNT Reform Next? Sorry in case it's already answered and I missed it somehow 🫣
@mntmn this is exciting! My intent has been to buy a Reform Next with the Quasar module when it's available. Do you have advice on how to time that? Should I order a current gen Next and the module separately, or are you planning to eventually do a crowd supply for the two together?
@ryanprior i recommend to order the current gen next first, the quasar will take a while to launch+ship (could be 5-6 months)
@mntmn any chance I could work for you doing some assembly and testing? You know the climate up here in the nordics puts unique stress on this kind of stuff and uh… No, I’m just making stuff up, I just want one 😊 Looks awesome!
@mrmasterkeyboard looks good. What are you going for?
@felipe well, it's for the anti-AI VIm fork I work on. Me and Reiddragon from the IRC channel who helps to maintain EVi decided someone should make a logo for EVi for the .desktop files and stuff. I used an SVG of the VIm logo and took it apart and regrouped in it Inkscape and did made changes to it to turn it into something new!
If things go well, you should see it at https://codeberg.org/evi-editor/evi eventually or maybe in a different form than you see here.
I've added easily customizable color theme support to Cucumber. Simply edit the settings.ini file on the SD card and define your color theme!
This LCD doesn't capture well on camera, but here's the Solarized "dark" theme ported over.
More details are on the project page: https://github.com/TangentDelta/cardputer-uxn
RE: https://mastodon.social/@Blender/116482997785333001
And related to this, #Blender already has Claude slop commits.
It's all fucked, Blender went dark.
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/336b5d0de12a438614846961b7961bbf35399eb3
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/79e02e1405a98884cc8fd5505cc54df2c2dc5d21
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/7ee94c067cf71845727672ed77dc25f088cd5b32
Not to mention one user has specifically admitted to using AI code review for commits that are in Blender's codebase.
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/b80b3e040dd3ac979e97540b4bb0f18a1c5ad021
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/eaadb0c3043288d78b897b15bcc8d336c749de15
#NoAI #FuckAI #AntiAI #Tech #Technology #Animation #3DAnimation #Claude
Welcome Anthropic as a Corporate Patron sponsor of the Blender Foundation’s Development Fund! This support will be dedicated towards general Blender core development. More details at https://www.blender.org/press/anthropic-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-corporate-patron/
@DBG3D @tonroosendaal Unfortunately, Ton doesn't control the Blender Foundation anymore it seems.
https://www.blender.org/press/blender-foundation-announces-new-board-and-executive-director/
@mrmasterkeyboard @tonroosendaal
I know, but I think he reserved a special status in it.
@DBG3D @tonroosendaal Yeah, it seems like he is on the Supervisory board?
In that case, this was probably ran past him and he approved it or something...
@mrmasterkeyboard @tonroosendaal
I hope he was not involved and is a decision of the new board.
If he was it will be a terrible disappointment.
my goal for this post is now to ratio THE FUCK out of the blender
@mrmasterkeyboard it is done 97/92 boosts.
@mrmasterkeyboard If you stop using products which were implemented with the help of AI you probably won't be able to use any software at all.
Even the policy for the Linux kernel allows the usage of AI tools: https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-maintainers-finalize-ai-policy-for-linux-kernel-developers/.
I'm saying that as someone who does not use and is against generative AI.
@chikl I get that, sometimes we have to make do. The main point here to call out the Blender Foundation and have them do something. The same should be done elsewhere.
So you "called out" this Free Software that you presumably use... what are you going to say to them exactly?
"I am deeply troubled that you guys might have more time with your families or sleeping if you use coding assists!", or "Hell no I am not going to write that code manually and contribute it. I just want to see you suffering doing it manually."
"Somebody used AI to review a contribution they didn't even ask for? String 'em up!"
@hopeless @chikl Don’t argue with me over this. AI is a fascist tech, AI companies are fascist companies, Blender took money from them. They rely on stealing the work of millions of people to operate which is highly unethical and immoral to do so.
If they want more time to do other things, don’t constantly spend all of your time contributing to things. Take a break. It seems you forgot that we still have free will.
> Don’t argue with me over this.
"AI is fascist tech"
"fascist companies"
"stealing"
"unethical"
"immoral"
If you want to argue, you have to produce argumentation, not slogans.
Github is mainly full of liberally-licensed software (that's why the sources are just sitting there) with licenses that don't disallow AI use for learning.
Anyway have a nice day.
@mrmasterkeyboard - open-source software and corporate sponsorship should be an oxymoron. I wish we lived in a world where making cool computer software was just supported by the public and free of the clutches of MEGACORPS
@mrmasterkeyboard fuck fuck fuck it's exhausting.
@f4grx I'm sick of it too, but the only way forward is resistance and complaining.
My advice to everyone, not only you, would be these words.
"What ever happens next, do not comply."
Fighting is the only way out.
@mrmasterkeyboard I WILL FUCKING NEVER COMPLY
@f4grx Compliance is to back down to fascist tech, companies and governments. Never will we back down, we will fight until we die and we will do so relentlessly.
FUCK ALL FASCISTS!!!
@mrmasterkeyboard (I managed to build evi without any problem, using that starting from now, thank you so much)
Good job on the rebranding, this is not so easy.
@f4grx Thanks, but I also couldn't do it with out the help of @ reiddragon @fedi.catto.garden and @ dreamos82 @mastodon.world who have been helping me with EVi since its beginning and are the other 2 maintainers of the project.
> the only way forward is resistance and complaining
Also consider forking and writing own (possibly simpler) software with natural intelligence in use
Remember the history of XFree86:
- it was a widely used display server on the x86 machines
- main dev decided to change the license, without asking the rest of the community
- People became angry and the display server was forked
- XFree86 died and fork became the #1 display server on the x86 
@mrmasterkeyboard @f4grx Yes, of course, but I think if people really need non-slop opensource 3D modelling software, then the contributors will participate in such project, sooner or later.
As we speak in Russia: "It is not a gods who make the pots" (Не боги горшки обжигают) — which means that usual people could make something, even if it looks like not an easy thing — it is not required to be a genius with tons of degrees and scientific papers to make something.
> Project Anchorage (anti-slop initiative on Codeberg), and many more.)
Sound interesting, can you share a link to it?
@evgandr @f4grx Sure! There's not much on the org other than mostly empty stuff, I've been looking for more peeps to recruit on especially after a friend disappeared out of nowhere.
https://codeberg.org/ProjectAnchorage
Also, @projectanchorage
So far, I've been working on Echium... which originally would have been a from scratch kernel but I've deciding using an old UNIX or BSD kernel and forking that would be better for it.
@mrmasterkeyboard although your concern is warranted I think it’s exaggerated to say that blender went dark because they are using AI for assistance. The commits you mentioned are not solely commuted buy AI rather have human supervision. Or am I wrong?
@mrmasterkeyboard
People seem unable to help themselves. Terrible #AISlop is ending up everywhere, like nano plastics are polluting our world.
@mrmasterkeyboard Dear @tonroosendaal , please reconsider. The machine learning industry is highly toxic to global society, it's built on mass approproation of intellectual property. I think ends don't justify the means. Please don't taint the labor of love with this.
Thank you for giving us Blender.
@mrmasterkeyboard at least they get some money. I don't think the slop commits have to do with this news, that's more like the decisions of the developers by themselves.
@mrmasterkeyboard i payed when there was a crowdfunding happening to make sure the blender code would be released as free software, in the early 2000's iirc. can i now get my money back...? ;-P
Was looking at the digital audio in Another World (aka Out of This World) and found it pretty fascinating.
The game has an all-digital soundtrack and supports digital playback on SoundBlaster, AdLib(!), and PC Speaker(!) I was curious to see how it manages to do digital sound across all these devices and came away pretty impressed.
For SoundBlaster it's straightforward, since the SB supports digital audio directly. However, the way the game runs the audio is unusual: it configures the PIT to generate 10,000 interrupts/second, and manually feeds a single 8-bit sample to the SB on each interrupt, rather than using PC's DMA controller to send data like almost every other game.
For PC Speaker, it uses a similar technique. But since the PC speaker is essentially a 1-bit DAC, it can't just feed an 8-bit sample to it. Instead, it changes the timer connected to the speaker, which is normally in "square wave" mode, to run instead in "one shot" mode. This means whenever a new timer count is written, the timer drives the speaker low until the count is expired, then the timer goes high again and remains there. By programming different values, the game essentially does pulse-width modulation at 10kHz to produce surprisingly reasonable digital sound.
For the AdLib, which is an FM-only chip, it uses a clever hack. It programs one channel for playback with instant attack and forever sustain, and starts a note playing. Then, almost immediately afterwards, it changes the note's frequency to 0, which causes the phase counter to stop counting and essentially locks the channel's output to whatever position within the sine wave it was when the frequency was nullified. With proper timing, it will be near its peak. At this point, the game can alter the channel's "total level" (aka volume) and change the magnitude of the locked output, basically making it into a DAC. The total level is only 6 bits, so it's lower fidelity than the SoundBlaster, but still sounds pretty decent.
@aaronsgiles AFAIK this is the first time anyone has taken the time to understand the PC version’s sampled playback. I grew up with both AW and an AdLib as a kid, and i *never* understood how it was the only game i owned that could play back samples instead of FM
(i had several pc speaker-only games that had sampled playback, so oddly, that carried little mystery to me - ha)
@vga256 @aaronsgiles Yeah, the PC Speaker technique seems to have been pretty widely well-known; a bunch of my games from the early 90s had it as an option.
I don't get all the hype, I've been a prompting engineer for 40 years!
I got tired of losing my own reference photos, and I really didn’t want to lock them all in the cloud
So I built Sortie! A local-first gallery manager ദ്ദി(˵ •̀ ᴗ - ˵ ) ✧ Pinterest-style layout, natural language search, tons of filters, and you can pull new images from Pinterest without an account and without ads.
Free on Windows / macOS / Linux: https://nighten.itch.io/sortie
@NIGHTEN@hi.nighten.fr
Ooooooohmygodthankyou
@NIGHTEN Oh this looks so useful!!
@NIGHTEN don't use genAI please 😞
@NIGHTEN you don't consider Sortie to be your art?
@spiralhalo No not really! Its value is mostly in whether it’s useful or not, if it meets the spec; which is really the opposite of how I see my art.
1/2
Apple in 2007: here’s 400 videos playing at the same time, with interactive search and real-time animations (via https://t.me/ilyabirman_channel/12350)
2/2
Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky Yeah. Software wise it went all to shit. Can’t put my finger on it but I’d say cost cutting for LLM gains
@nikitonsky best part: the fastest supercomputer of this time is not so much faster than actual hardware on our desktops. 😌
@nikitonsky faster on my MB Pro 2021 M1, but it's Liquid Ass slowing stuff down and it really needs to be killed with fire
@nikitonsky
This is the difference between treating your software as a key competitive advantage (Jobs era) vs. treating it as a cost center to be minimized (Cook era).
@nikitonsky Yep. I just grabbed an M4 Mac again so I could go back to Sequoia. I can't do anymore Tahoe at this point. This kinds of crap is everywhere in Tahoe.
@nikitonsky @siracusa I’m not a big “What would Steve do?” guy (in part because he implored us not to be), but he would definitely have been the human shield to protect us from Tahoe if that’s what it took. Such a shame.
Putting all my faith in Ternus & Lemay for a rapid response to the worst of this nonsense.
@nikitonsky And people keep asking me why I keep going back to older frameworks (UIKit, Core Data, etc.). You could get real performance while doing amazing things with those frameworks while the modern SwiftUI List slows to a crawl after 100-200 items for mysterious reasons.
And that was before Liquid Glass.
@nikitonsky The 2007 Seadragon demo was mind blowing, and it went away and never came back.
@nikitonsky I’ve the 17 pro iPhone and very frequently I’ll open settings.app and the menu icons will take a second to fill. What the hell.
@nikitonsky Resizing the windows of some of the new Tahoe apps (Contacts, Phone, Messages, etc.) is slow and drops frames on my 14” M1 MacBook Pro. Sure, it’s not brand new anymore, but it’s still faster than *every Intel Mac ever made*. Come on!
@nikitonsky For an even stronger effect: open the custom color popover, and *slide* the slider. This creates dozen of color updates, which are queued, and so the preview icons will keep changing colors for *minutes *
@nikitonsky I'm all for dunking on Apple but "loading 40 icons is much harder to do than playing 400 videos" is just one of those things that seem crazy from a "normal person perspective" but make perfect sense from the inside
@valpackett I am from the industry and no, it doesn’t sound all that crazy. I am familiar with the excuses people usually make about those kind of things, but no, if anyone really wanted and cared, that shit would work in less than 1 frame on 120 Hz display. Besides, you don’t even need to load 40 icons. They are already loaded!
@nikitonsky I regularly marvel at having the fastest phone Apple has ever made and having to wait as Home Screen icons composite. Such a waste.
@nikitonsky It looks impressive but I can see it's really just 40 long looping gifs tiled 10 times onto primitives. It wouldn't be terribly difficult to do this kind of thing on modern hardware. That would require passion and dedication to a craft but I can see that the modern OS is not living it's best life.
@Smohc_Stahc Nobody says we can’t do it anymore. The problem is we are not doing. We can, but we don’t
@nikitonsky like this was fucking 2007 where real people still had XP on their machines...
this was such a massive "guys, computers can also look really cool you know"
This feels wise for the #EU:
“We don't need a "European [add US social media platform]" – that would be just a different kind of centralised trap – we need a commitment to open protocols for our digital infrastructure. By moving our digital hangouts and town squares to decentralised protocols we ensure that no single entity – be it either governments and/or a volatile billionaires – can pull the plug on our democratic discourse and… 🧵 1/2
Worth consideration with or without the European theme, of course.
The concluding sentence in bold:
> "The Future of Europe and the Web is Federated. Are you ready to join the it?"
I hope increasingly more people are ready to join the it.
@Starfia @tchambers already waiting for the Canadians to join the EU :)
Rather a different question. (Not to mention a bit of a geographical and nomenclatural dilemma.)
Why Canadians?
@Starfia in the light of recent politics in the US, and culturally a good match anyway ("thank you for not shooting me" :)
@Starfia @tchambers Proud to be in the federation vibe! I hope more and more content management systems gets default federation. Now the only one which is quite easy to install with federation, is WordPress. Or yes you have the platforms such as lemmy, mastodon, friendica, etc. But if you want your own site with contents, wp is the one easiest to go with. But wp is becoming a bigtech itself. Ghost is starting, but it has still problems (such as accessibility, if we want to go with wider needs)
@elettrona @Starfia @tchambers What? Ghost 6 is part of the Fediverse.
@samueljohnson @Starfia @tchambers I know. The paid plan. I've got the self-hosted and never have been able to federate it (maybe it's due to lack of screen reader friendly UI?)
@elettrona @Starfia @tchambers ah, interesting!
@samueljohnson @Starfia @tchambers its accessibility has never been "by design"; they adjusted something, like mounting 4 wheels on a bike assuming it could automatically become a car, catch the idea?
@elettrona @Starfia @tchambers I understand your requirement but to my knowledge Ghost was developed by former Wordpress developers who decided to do things differently, specifically making it simpler and easier. I have used both but have no experience doing so without being able to see. Both have had to adjust to federation. I'm sorry I missed your constraint and hope Ghost will resolve at some point.
@elettrona @Starfia @tchambers FWIW this just showed up in my TL
https://dragonscave.space/@J_D_X/116470268624341123
I was unaware he was blind, and I suspect most BBC viewers don't know. This "invisibility" doesn't help with the accessibility problem!
@samueljohnson @Starfia @tchambers Just read this one in another thread.
Sometimes it's very difficult to come out over the Internet, as blind. There's too much ableism around. Too many people still assuming you're a sort of scammer or performative activist
@wec huh, which 3172 model is it? i'm a bit curious about the B&T card and how they are driving it
@wec
I'm not sure whether that is bigger than the DEC NIA10 used in the DECsystem-10 and DECSYSTEM-20 (PDP-10 KL10 CPU), but it's much prettier. The NIA was an ugly box that mounted inside the cabinet (but not traditional rack-mount), cabled to modules that installed in the I/O backplane in place of two RH20 channels. It had an AUI interface, usually to a DEC H4000 vampire tap transceiver.
@wec does it support 3 Mb/s coax, like the DELNI?
When initially wiring the Caltech CS department for Ethernet, they sent a hapless, small undergraduate through the ceilings and crawl spaces dragging heavy coax behind him. Pretty sure at the time, no asbestos remediation had been done or contemplated.
Since we moved from city to rural land, to a house where the bathroom and kitchen are outside, my boy observed: “This year there are way more full moons.”
/me: was you day productive?
/also_me: define productive!
@joel ooh, what's that mixer? The only dock-app I run in fluxbox is wmnet(1) to graph network traffic. I used to have a couple other,s (volume and something) but found I never used them favoring keyboard-driven stuff, so I just stopped invoking them to free up resources.
@gumnos it’s the modified Mixer.app that I posted yesterday. It’s not 100% perfect but it seems to work. I also use keybindings to do things. But I like to keep an eye on current settings.
This is so cool. For their graduate thesis, writer & crafter, Alanna Okun made a game about knitting and hand knitted an arcade console to put it in.
The game: https://alannabean.itch.io/loose-ends
More info: http://www.alannaokun.xyz/
Been playing with the Acme editor from #plan9port. Very much out of my comfort zone (vi-like editors) but so far I quite like it. My goal is to install #9front on my old Thinkpad T430 and use it for writing in my bedroom once I've properly gotten to grips with the editor. Seems like a solid choice of OS for reducing distractions and I find a lot of the ideas behind #plan9 really appealing.
General use daily driver is – and will remain – #openbsd, of course.
i like a lot about #9front, but i'm afraid of mice...
Some folks prefer the trackpoint over everything so much that I'm wondering if I'm missing a TrackPoint-enjoyment gene, like folks who can't smell asparagus. 😂
I do prefer it to the trackpad for incidental use, only because it's harder to trigger accidentally.
But yeah, the trackball on the MNT Reform made me swoon with nostalgic ecstacy. 🤣
I'd buy one just for that if I had the dough.
@afb How did you do for you? I looked at Acme a bit and it seems to use the mouse intensely. i'm mainly a Vim user myself and what I like about it is the fact I don't need a mouse. I like keyboard centric approach because the switching between mouse and keyboard tires my brain fast.
Any feedback regarding that?
@irrlicht Yeah it's taking some getting used to. Having three buttons plus the trackpoint on my ThinkPad is good, optical USB mouse feels a bit clunky. I'm barely moving my hands with the trackpoint so it feels like much less of a context switch.
@hi gcam is absolutely worth it, especially on a Pixel phone, you basically get the original camera features back without the faff.
(I'm on a Fairphone 6 now which has its own streamlined camera app so I don't need Gcam anywhere but on my Pixel 5 it was one of the flagship things that made me feel like I'm not trading off much for running a "degoogled" OS in terms of being able to use the hardware I have paid for...)
i kind of like the simplicity of the default camera app on #grapheneos and so i decided to stick to default one for awhile
@hi 0.94 gb? Since when?
I think it could probably be a fork. Use the groovy underpinnings but re-work the GUI.
Or just develop cool TUIs for use with vt(1)???
Watching experienced users on YT somewhat fumble with all of the complex mouse movements is a little painful, but I'm trying to see it for what it is: an alternative, experimental OS, and learn from the process of playing with it.
I try not to boot into my 9front vm unless I have a real mouse with me. It's just too annoying with the trackpad or touchpoint. XD
Especially without working palm recognition, woof!
But in all, it feels like it's potentially much more flexible and malleable than Linux, and you could probably do a lot to modify it without even really breaking a sweat.
It's a far cry from the my-way-or-the-highway attitudes from the systemd and Gnome guys.
(I mean, in fairness, if you complain to the 9front devs about the GUI being weird, or different, or whatever, they're likely to tell you to blow it out your ear, but the system itself isn't trying to force you to use it a certain way XD )
keyboard-driven mouse works better if you have diagonals too, so I recommend nethack keys (vi + y/u/b/n for diagonals 😆)
“but how would you know what the IP address was, grandad?”
“well, that’s the thing, it didn’t have one.”
“oh, so how would you update the firmware then?”
“it had none. it was just a tea kettle.”
“woah.”
@SecureOwl The philosophical question of the future that will take over that well worn trope about trees falling in woods:
"If something/someone has not been assigned an IP address does it truly exist?"
🆕 EU Longest Train Journey 🆕
Kemijärvi 🇫🇮 - Lagos 🇵🇹
🦅 Geodesic: 4088.33km
🛤️ Route-km: 6251.5km
⏱️Trip time: 87 hours 29 minutes
🚆Trains: 16
💶 Cost: around €400, with Interrail
All mapped and explained here 👇
https://eulongesttrainjourney.jonworth.eu
Guess leaving the winter tires on the car for a bit longer was the right decision
@hi apparently it really likes us and hates most of the south/west 😅
Rate my counterculture* computer corner
*the computer is passively cooled and fully powered off of solar. It is actually repurposed from the components of my first homelab build (cca 2021), it sports a 8-core/16 thread Ryzen 5 and 64GB(!!) of DDR4 ECC RAM which I did not dare to look up what you'd have to pay for today (I got the two 32G modules around 200€ each, a bit pricy even then, as these are server/workstation-grade sticks).
By turning off PBO ("turbo") I still get plenty of perf out of the CPU (~10K multi-core Geekbench 6) while making sure the passive copper heatsink doesn't break a sweat. This also helps keep peak power draw at bay (65W measured absolute peak), which meant that I could power the whole thing off a 80W wide-input PicoPSU and completely avoid the AC power brick — it is directly hooked into my 24V battery pack via the solar charger. I am in fact also replacing the (odd, 19V) power brick of the monitor with a similar setup using a voltage regulator.
So sustainable efficiency, 🖕 massive data centers.
@flaki I would never even have thought to run a Ryzen system that way. My current desktop has two CPU fans, a fan on the GPU, one on the PSU, and four on the case!
@duncan_bayne tbf this is a 5750GE with a 35W target TDP, this APU is intended for stuff like those Lenovo miniPCs :)
@geffrey
Haharr! That's very nice to hear this is possible, my ultimate writing environment
But: Have you tried typing an Umlaut from a Bluetooth or USB keyboard on (older*) Android? They just don't support international key maps (in that version*).
* stuck on 10/11/13, until something else comes along. Wouldn't be able to tell if that changed.
@ia @ia
@geffrey @ia I saw a video about this stand recently and it looks pretty cool: https://www.majextand.com/product-page/majextand-s-4-basic-options
(Bookmarked it, although I myself, have no need for an iPhone stand. 🤷♂️ 🙃)
A new UNIX snapshot from 1977 to be released soon!!!
We've recovered another UNIX distribution that hasn't been seen in almost 50 years!
This is UNIX Program Generic Issue 3 from 1977-04-12. It descends from V6 and evolved into System III. We thought it didn't survive, but it turned up in some tapes @bitsavers read yesterday!
You can run it in SIMH with scripts I wrote, browse the sources in the Unix Tree (thanks Warren!) or from a tar, or read the Program Generic documentation (thanks Matt!).
On the topic of software enshittification and AI upsell: I'm used to Chrome doing vile Google stuff, I'm used to stupid paid bookmarks in Firefox, but I'm scared by what Firefox has became. I run Debian-oldstable, OpenBSD and NetBSD, and in all of them Firefox has clickbait links in new tabs and "AI search" and the likes. The one shipped with Debian also spooked me with "Chat with this tab". How did we end up here 🥲
Edit: yes, by all means, use good forks, and encourage others to use good forks, but don't forget that most people won't use a fork, and thus it is important to keep pushing for upstream to be good and ethical
@nina_kali_nina The thing is, despite all of that, Firefox is still the best browser. That's honestly the saddest part of all. Everything else has gotten _so much worse_ that *being able to disable AI integration* (which you can do in Firefox) is somehow the best option.
@chiraag@mastodon.online @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt there is also an option called firefox forks
@librewolf@chaos.social being the most based of them
@witix @chiraag @librewolf nod nod, I'm mostly on LibreWolf myself, but it requires more than two clicks to install on obscure systems, so I felt like installing Firefox to look up a thing is not going to hurt me much. I was wrong lol
But also, if IT folks are out of options, everyone else is cooked, getting used to whatever google gives them as a browser :(
@feeblu @librewolf @chiraag @witix on some OSes, yes. It is still made mostly by a single person, and very niche.
@nina_kali_nina @feeblu @librewolf @chiraag @witix At least LibreWolf offers ARM 64 Linux builds that run on this Raspberry Pi 5 and my PinePhones.
As, of course do Vivaldi and Firefox.
@nina_kali_nina I've switched from stock Firefox to Zen on desktop and F-droid Fennec on Android. All the old perks of Firefox, without ads and AI-shit.
@hi there's a NetBSD port as well. But it takes a bit of effort to build from sources; I don't think there are binaries just yet. It is still quite upsetting that upstream is not great
@lanodan 🤔 is it still alright?
@lanodan @nina_kali_nina historically there have port maintainers doing the needed fixups to keep @WebKitGTK working on the BSDs, and at some point we were even getting some patches upstreamed—but not lately, despite me trying to have those reviewed and applied. I think the review process felt a bit like a drag at times, and WebKit can be slow to work with given that it's a big codebase. Sometimes I do a small sweep of the ports trees to try and pick “upstreamable” fixes, but sadly my spare time for those things is limited. We could use a BSD person helping out with this.
@lanodan @nina_kali_nina also, sure I can install and use BSDs, but I need Linux for work and it wouldn't be practical for me to even dual boot my buildbox, and last time I tried with qemu things were a bit clunky and one couldn't test hardware acceleration. Sorry.
@lanodan @nina_kali_nina maybe no user-facing AI integration, but some webkit developers are using AI assisted tooling. So if you want to avoid that as well, you will have to pick another web engine...
I think that leaves NetSurf, maybe Dillo and Servo? Probably a much larger downgrade than replacing Linux with BSD, actually?
@pulkomandy @lanodan Servo is quite impressive, I think I can daily drive it. Haven't tried to build it on BSD yet. Netsurf is neat too, but as you say, too many websites are broken
@nina_kali_nina I think if foundations and non-profits apply standard growth models that apply to businesses, which I think is the non-evil - at least initially - justification, that is why. It can be slow and steady or faster and enshittified. Although, that's not tacit approval on my part, and I think there is a grey area in the middle, & exceptions, but "it works. How can we maintain/grow/promote" is how it starts.
@nina_kali_nina I'm really hoping something good comes out of Servo in the not-too-distant future 😐
@kingocounty I've been using it little by little since 0.1.0 builds, as it stopped crashing for my frequently visited websites. I am worried about its future because of the LLVM/Rust politics, but otherwise I'm hopeful
@nina_kali_nina At least Firefox has now added a kill switch: https://www.malwarebytes.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2026/02/Firefox_settings.png
@nina_kali_nina There is an option in Firefox to make new windows and tabs simply empty. It's in about:preferences > Home > New windows and tabs.I haven't seen sponsored links or whatever in years.
@rhialto believe me or not, I know about this option. :) but 99% of installs are by people who will never ever find it, I bet
@nina_kali_nina @rhialto yeah I figured it was just a new part of everything sucking and only went looking after realizing people walking by my desk might not realize it was enshittification stuff and think i was actually interested in looking at click bait garbage headlines and pictures of trump
A progress report on my "Migrate from MacBook to Net?Open?BSD" mini-project.
Are we there yet? No. Were important lessons learned? Yes!
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@nina_kali_nina First time I've heard of PowerTab, is it any good? Only thing I've ever used is Guitar Pro.
@woe2you I haven't used it before this day; I've been using TuxGuitar, but I gave up on making it work under NetBSD. It seems PowerTab is legit, but I couldn't open some gp3-gp5 files with it, unfortunately.
@nina_kali_nina Thanks for taking the time to answer this tangent for me, I know it wasn't your main focus.
@woe2you Ah, no probs! Note that neither Tux Guitar nor PowerTab use GuitarPro's "Real Sound Engine", so they sound as MIDI as your MIDI sequencer/soundfont.
@nina_kali_nina I'm trying to get back into guitar after many years, I remember when GP was pure MIDI so that's no downside.
A-ha one: choosing a laptop based on what operating system you want to run on it is not wrong.
Reasoning: I got so used to Linux running on most, if not all, laptops that "oh, NetBSD doesn't support this hardware" made me feel feelings.
The feelings were familiar, because I've been there with Linux some ten+ years ago.
Reflecting on those feelings, I noticed that people generally have no issue with buying a specific subset of laptop models if they plan to run Mac OS, or specific make of phones if they intend to run Graphene OS and such. If this is fine, then picking laptop specs for NetBSD is a given. If anything, there are more devices that can run NetBSD than there are devices that can run Mac OS.
Over the last 2 years I have bought 1 asus gaming laptop, 1asus gaming desktop, and then last week I bought an acer 14" laptop for my day tripper computer.
The first thing I did each and everytime when I got them home was install Linux and remove any traces of microslop.
All 3 of them work flawlessly.
My old laptop that just died had been running Linux Mint since 2012.
@nina_kali_nina I've never used it but isn't NetBSD the one with the slogan "of course it runs NetBSD"? I guess that dates from an era with a lot more diversity of processors and fewer cameras, power controllers, track pads, wireless cards that need drivers
@lydiafacts "of course it runs NetBSD" is generally true. I run NetBSD on my Macintosh Classic II. But there's a world of difference between "I have ksh" and "latest Firefox can play 4K video at 60 fps over 5GHz WiFi"
@nina_kali_nina and I guess more generally, it supports a diversity of the kind of hardware you have in a server or a router than what you have in a typical laptop
A-ha two: it is important to see beyond the "project branding"
A few days ago I got really frustrated by hardware virtualisation crashing the guest OS while running under NetBSD. "Oh COME ON, the NetBSD project should've done a better job at implementing their hypervisor; I have no issues whatsoever with KVM under Linux on the same laptop", I thought at first.
And then I ended up on a homepage of nvmm, NetBSD's hypervisor. It reads:
> Six months ago, I told myself I would write a small hypervisor for an old x86 AMD CPU I had. Just to learn more about virtualization, and see how far I could go alone on my spare time.
So, yeah, it is provided by "The NetBSD project", but is mostly results of a work of a single person.
And this changes everything, it's not "yikes, such a buggy thing, this corporation could've done better", it's "wow this person is legendary, I sure can work around my own limitations to leverage the results of their work, lots of respect".
A quick summary of the OSes I have on my laptop now, as a checklist:
-- Debian 12 "Bookworm"
[+] Graphical desktop (XFCE my beloved)
[+] WiFi
[+] Accelerated video (smooth scrolling and 60fps video)
[+] Graphics software (Krita, GNU IMP)
[+] Music software - DAW (LMMS)
[+] Music software - guitar (TuxGuitar, PowerTab)
[+] Emulation (can run DOS 1.0-Windows 10, very fast)
[+] Wine
Very stable, can do everything I need.
-- OpenBSD 7.9
[+] Desktop
[+] WiFi
[+] Accelerated video
[+] Krita, graphic tablet support
[+] LMMS
[ ] No guitar soft :(
[±] No Windows emulation beyond DosBox
[ ] No wine
-- NetBSD 11
"-" means unstable to the point of being unusable
[+] Desktop - the same XFCE
[±] WiFi
[ ] Accelerated video
[+] Krita
[+] LMMS
[-] Guitar soft
[±] Emulation (either unstable or slow)
[±] Wine (unstable)
So far, OpenBSD has been the most stable of the three, but it is impossible to make emulation working in it. NetBSD is promising, and it is a rewarding learning experience, but I can't daily-drive it yet
Some people actually asked me: "Hold on, why won't you just use Debian, if everything works on it?"
I'm migrating from MacOS 14, the latest MacOS without AI. It is still receiving updates, and it probably will be fine/safe to use for another year. If the push comes to shove, I can update to MacOS 15 and get one extra year of support of software that is generally pre-genAI.
Debian Bookworm, the latest pre-major-genAI release, will get its last major update in June 2026, and will stop receiving LTS in June 2028.
In other words, if my reason for this move is "according to who there is no level of exposure to genai", then swapping from MacOS to Debian doesn't actually give me more time before the support for the last "safe-ish" version is dropped.
So, might as well bite the bullet now and go to BSDs. And it is increasingly looking like I might be able to get away with it without losing anything important to me in terms of computer functionality.
@nina_kali_nina I like how you are approaching this - I'm on a similar path...Debian 13 is comfortable, I don't have to abandon it to plan a transition to the BSD's (in my case, I'm looking at NetBSD for the most part right now)
@scott yep, I hold hopes for NetBSD, too. From what I read, FreeBSD might be quite usable in my situation, and it seems to be less gung-ho on AI than Linux
@nina_kali_nina NetBSD appeal deeply to me because it's so small, and the "small town" size you noted in relation to NVMM where it's people contributing, not huge corpos.
The flip side for me is like 85% or more of BSD users are on FreeBSD - it would probably be a _lot_ easier daily driving in that space, I suspect.
The idea of rolling up my sleeves and actually contributing a port when needed to NetBSD is also tantalizing tho - maybe I don't need everything handed to me in a package.
@scott FreeBSD, unfortunately, explicitly allows AI slop. This, and they seem to support Xlibre, which I consider a bad move. Otherwise it'd be a no-brainer.
Every now and then I think I should just move to Potato[1] or disconnect from the internet forever and just keep using what I always used, so I can stop being worried about software vulnerabilities affecting me.
@nina_kali_nina @scott You know that there is still (Gentoo) Hurd.. 😉
@nina_kali_nina Why no FreeBSD?
@metalmartijn I'd ditch Debian for an old FreeBSD. Current FreeBSD explicitly allows AI-generated contributions.
@nina_kali_nina According to open-slopware, OpenBSD has a permissive AI policy. It's getting very hard to find an untainted OS. :(
@Retrograde my understanding is that OpenBSD doesn't have a permissive AI policy, but they do accept upstream patches made with AI (tmux) or AI-assisted bug reports (librcypto and kernel).
In this aspect, NetBSD is far better, yes.
@nina_kali_nina wait, is there something that passed me? What are you talking about Debian and ai?
I mean don't really follow Debian that closely because I use kubuntu with some extra repos so I don't have to use snap, but Debian going some involuntary ai use path would be something I think I would have heard about.
@mortentorten First, Linux kernel itself has permissive AI policy. Second, systemd has permissive AI policy. Major libraries, like chardet, are being completely slopcoded, while major software projects like Python or LLVM have permissive AI policies. Debian is based on all of them. On top of that, they have debian-ai/deeplearning team (with AI-generated logos) that provides things like python-openai and DebGPT - "General Purpose Terminal LLM Tool with Some Debian-Specific Design" - https://salsa.debian.org/deeplearning-team/debgpt
Trixie comes with all these "improvements", Bookworm was spared.
@nina_kali_nina apparently alpine is strictly no-ai; but again its musl-based so using 3rd party precompiled software is going to be annoying without virtualization.
@zardoz03 there are others, more vocal, but it doesn't matter enough because the kernel and systemd are tainted
A friend just asked me a few more questions about the reasons I decided to try and move to *BSD, given that these systems are, generally, far less polished than Linux, and do not support as many packages/programs. I vaguely gestured at the situatuion with genAI/LLM uprooting the trust in the Linux kernel, core system components and so on. She wasn't convinced; AI is everywhere these days, and avoiding it is a lot like trying to avoid other unethical things: very hard and probably will affect your quality of life.
And I get it. The situation is actually quite similar with "just install Linux": running Windows is bad, and for many people, moving to Linux (or BSD) is impossible. But there are _also_ many people who don't know they could run Linux - sometimes with more comfort than their obsolete and buggy Windows.
So I want to try and run *BSD and share how it feels, and maybe this way I could remove a few roadblocks for others. Ultimately, I just want to feel better about my computing habits.
@nina_kali_nina I wish you luck. Since moving my servers to FreeBSD I’ve been much happier. For desktop/laptop it will really matter a lot what specific hardware you use. The community has been super helpful too when I’ve had questions. If it helps, some of my notes: https://markmcb.com/freebsd/vs_linux/
Just as an FYI, FreeBSD and MidnightBSD are pro-slop, OpenBSD contains slop in base (via tmux) and has no anti-LLM policy, and NetBSD's anti-LLM policy is effectively a sham allowing them to commit LLM generated content at will.
"Code generated by a large language model or similar technology, such as GitHub/Microsoft's Copilot, OpenAI's ChatGPT, or Facebook/Meta's Code Llama, is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core." -- https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html
Note the last sentence: "must not be committed without prior written approval by core."
I certainly won't argue against learning NetBSD, but I also wouldn't count it as a viable last refuge.
You can look at https://fedi.tcp80.org/@be0ba/statuses/01KQ2WEK701RGDX7BKBB2RGH3P if you're interested in my reasoning to avoid depending on NetBSD.
@be0ba with smaller systems, like OpenBSD or NetBSD, I at least can imagine supporting a fork that mirrors security improvements from the upstream, if the need arises. I really wish there was a better alternative, but I am not aware of any. I guess could try MirBSD or plan9 🤔
@nina_kali_nina BTW, I recommend to do your own investigation and check commits, repositories, and maillists by yourself, when it comes to claims about some #BSD is now SlopBSD
E.g. claim that #OpenBSD is slop usually going from misunderstanding that it developed as a single system, not a mix of various software — so when developers incorporate latest tmux fixes (like this: https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/9c2b8e445a0bdfafdd6148b1760f00aa5429627b) to the OpenBSD source tree, the vibe-coded commit from tmux repo passed by unnoticed.
Also note this: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&r=1&s=llm&q=b&w=1 — looks like the discussion about tmux is happening RN
I suppose this happens because of minimization of maintainers' necessary work to release new #BSD version not in the next century
as described here: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@TomAoki/114209804382234562
Also note, if you are using small-hack/openslopware repo, what these badges on the tables not reliable as a single source of truth. E.g. #FreeBSD is in the list of slopware because it have permissive AI policy, but if read the evidence (https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src?tab=contributing-ov-file#quality-expectations) we'll see:
> Low quality submissions will be rejected
> Automated accounts or chatbots must not submit pull requests
Also note this issue: https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware/issues/257
I completely agree with people doing their own research.
@evgandr I specifically called FreeBSD out as being pro-slop because it is. I acknowledge that the current taint is from OpenZFS, not directly from the FreeBSD project but that doesn't change the fact that they're incorporating tainted code instead of completely rejecting it (via fork or any other method necessary) and have a policy of accepting slop. The issue you linked points out that FreeBSD can technically be built without ZFS. Where are the official builds of this; ISOs, disk images, etc.? If the default build isn't free of slop, then it's slopware.
I also specifically called out the OpenBSD's taint was from tmux, which is part of the base. Again, not code written by the OpenBSD contributors, but still part of the base system. OpenBSD also doesn't have a written anti-LLM policy. Hopefully both of those issues will be resolved. Your link to the mailing list archive messages about the tmux issue don't include a SINGLE core maintainer of OpenBSD, let alone Theo himself, and are thus completely without merit.
As for your comments about not having to wait to release new versions of various BSDs "in the next century", I can't imagine what you're talking about. OpenBSD has been on a steady 6 month release cycle for many years. FreeBSD also has a well defined released schedule.
Frankly, your entire post reads like you're attempting to defend the incorporation of slop instead of actually explaining a valid misunderstanding on my part of exactly what is slopware. I'll make this very clear for you: Anything that contains slop in any amount or from any source or uses an LLM for any purpose whatsoever, is slop.
Edit: Clarification
@be0ba I see this as an extreme way to describe "pro-slop" OSes. There are no allowing slop-commits sentences in the #FreeBSD guidelines, furthermore the low quality commits and commits solely from LLMs are directly prohibited. As I read at near 1-2 month before — the FreeBSD people still discussing the new guidelines, so we'll see something in the future.
Also, I should note that forking #OpenZFS especially for FreeBSD, starting from commit where it wasn't tainted, is not so easy thing as it could be seen. There are necessary to found some maintainers, who know the OpenZFS code and able to maintain the fork, test tons of subsystems and utilities — because one of the biggest features of FreeBSD is ZFS as a first-class filesystem, so everything must work as before.
Also, this is why there are no FreeBSD ISOs without ZFS — the amount of necessary testing, to check that everything works as with common FreeBSD ISOs, are incredible.
E.g. when I wrote about simple bug mu, disallowing it's installation with Emacs with X server GUI — it take at near 1 month (or more) to fixed package land in the repository. BTW, the patch was proposed on the next day after I wrote a bug, and it changes literally the one line in the Makefile. So, for ZFS fork the ETA will be much bigger.
> don't include a SINGLE core maintainer of OpenBSD, let alone Theo himself
Dunno, from mine perspective this is completely normal if someone writes to the mailling list first time or didn't posted at maillist before 🤷♂️
> As for your comments about not having to wait to release new versions of various BSDs "in the next century", I can't
imagine what you're talking about. OpenBSD has been on a steady 6 month release cycle for many years. FreeBSD also
has a well defined released schedule.
These OSes have a good released schedule because of beforementioned compromises — using the upstream code and the default configuration flags to reduce the time to land the new versions of software to the repositories. If maintainers will spend their time also for checking is the new version of some software tainted with slop or not — we'll see the next *BSD release in the next century.
> you're attempting to defend the incorporation of slop
LMAO, Obviously not 
> Anything that contains slop in any amount or from any source or uses an LLM for any purpose whatsoever, is slop.
As I wrote before, this is a very extreme way to define slopware, absolutely ignoring the ways how the big systems, like OSes, are built, using the underlying Free Software projects as a building bricks. And ignoring the people with limited amount of time and money, who spending their free time to build something and have a customary way to make things, which they were using in the last few decades.
P.S. So, that's how we have the current state of things: the big commercial software companies are pro-slop and forcing developers to use LLMs. And the non-commercial free software organizations maybe want not to use slop in their codebase, but they don't have enough people and money to achive this for now.
> I see this as an extreme way to describe "pro-slop" OSes.
No. This is the bare minimum. There are no partial measures to resist fascism. You either resist it to the best of one's ability, or you accept it.
> Also, I should note that forking #OpenZFS especially for FreeBSD, starting from commit where it wasn't tainted, is not so easy thing as it could be seen.
I never said or implied it would be easy. It would be a massive amount of work. It's also literally the only option to meet the bare minimum definition of a project that does not include slop.
>> don't include a SINGLE core maintainer of OpenBSD, let alone Theo himself
> Dunno, from mine perspective this is completely normal if someone writes to the mailling list first time or didn't posted at maillist before 🤷♂️
I'm not devaluing the opinions of the people in that discussion, merely pointing out that they literally have no direct influence over the project's policies or implementations thereof. Until and unless core maintainers make a statement, there is no policy.
> E.g. when I wrote about simple bug mu, disallowing it's installation with Emacs with X server GUI — it take at near 1 month (or more) to fixed package land in the repository. BTW, the patch was proposed on the next day after I wrote a bug, and it changes literally the one line in the Makefile. So, for ZFS fork the ETA will be much bigger.
You're conflating package maintainers with core maintainers for a project. While those two groups often share people, there are generally many more package maintainers that maintain at most a handful of packages and have nothing to do with the base operating system. Waiting a month for a bug fix in a package by someone who may only update packages every few months bears no relevance whatsoever to base OS development.
> As I wrote before, this is a very extreme way to define slopware, absolutely ignoring the ways how the big systems, like OSes, are built, using the underlying Free Software projects as a building bricks.
While this is absolutely true of Linux which has nothing to itself but a kernel, it bears much less relevance to BSD. The vast majority of the code in BSDs is written for and by those operating systems. There are obvious exceptions to this of course; NetBSD has GCC, OpenBSD and FreeBSD have LLVM (another slopware project to contend against), OpenBSD has Perl, tmux, etc. So, yes, a handful of external projects but the majority of the base distribution is produced "in-house".
I'm sorry you can't seem to understand that my position isn't extreme relative to the threat. It's literally the minimal baseline to combat encroaching fascism. The only way to prevent slop is to refuse to allow it. If everyone refuses to use slop, eventually it will die out, but making excuses about how difficult things are doesn't do anything. I hope you can learn to understand that your constant excuses for why we can't fight back are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Edit: Grammar is difficult even when you proofread a hundred times...
Sorry, as a citizen of not the first world country, who was never rich as an usual american teenager and saw/hear about a lot of real shit and will see a lot of shit in future (like death penalty for using VPN to access the free Internet, for example) — I can't read these incantation about "fighting fascism" without a smirk
Sounds like wealthy citizens of first world countries developed a new simulacrum to ignore the real problems in the other countries, like governments full of corrupted morons, failure of diplomacy, and constant war against human rights.
Returning to slop, this masks the real problems with slopware — decline in code quality and in programmers' knowledge, replacing it with paid corporative blackbox, which could be restricted to use at any moment.
@nina_kali_nina Sorry, but this is how things are visible from inside non-first world country by some people, including me — as written in one local proverb: "The well-fed do not understand the hungry" 🤷♂️
@nina_kali_nina Interesting. I use FreeBSD on servers/headless machines whenever I can precisely because I feel it's much more polished, organized and simple than any Linux distribution I've seen. But it's definitely not my first nor second choices for desktop/laptop.
@nina_kali_nina I think someone should revive the HURD
I'm unfortunately not skilled enough
@nina_kali_nina well I'll be a monkey's uncle, there's actually progress from earlier this year
https://itsfoss.com/news/gnu-hurd-progress-report/
Time to try it on a spare SSD ^^
@leonavis @nina_kali_nina not going to dig up a source right now but I heard that Hurd’s recent 64-bit support was at least partly vibecoded so that isn’t really an option either
@nmott @leonavis oh fuck me, you're right; and it's even done with openclaw https://www.moltbook.com/u/freesoft-claude
@nina_kali_nina @nmott @leonavis i'm going to cry. Fuck.
@nina_kali_nina @f4grx @nmott @leonavis i have never thought about hurd too much, but now i'm going to think less of it when i do
@nina_kali_nina beyond the AI parts I do think that the BSDs have some interesting advantages, mainly shipping a holistic system rather than a parts tray that’s assembled by the distro team. The bundling of lib c is my particular favorite.
I’d also say that the BSDs have a much closer relationship with correctness, just look into the behavior of truncation with tail -f on bsd vs Linux.
Oxide has a pretty good discussion on why they went with Illumos over Linux.
@nina_kali_nina bsd is boring and calm. rack up and start hacking. you may enjoy it
@jae 🤔 hacking what
@nina_kali_nina the system you're contemplating. make it better experience
@jae ah, well, I've been hacking around it for the last couple of months already.
@nina_kali_nina that's awesome, excited to see what you come up with.
i started with bsd when bsd first came out, took a break for linux, back to bsd daily driving. there's a lot of gaps in the things i do, but i've found it's very relaxing to work in and forces me to rethink and slow tf down :-)
@nina_kali_nina hope this link is useful (+ if you weren't aware of it prior) https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware#operating-systems
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt switching from Windows 7 (which was close to EoL) to Kubuntu in 2019 was definitely a "oh wait all of this just works and I might even prefer this experience" moment. The only thing I lost is hardware compatibility with the katsukeity capture card in my new2DSxl and my elgato HDMI capture card.
@mitsunee video capture didn't work as expected?
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt the elgato device in question doesn't seem to have any linux drivers and didn't magically just work™, so I kinda gave up. I was gonna give it to a friend, but we never figured out shipping abroad and he ended up getting a usb-c one, which is probably easier to use than a PCI-E card anyways. I'm honestly more disappointed I couldn't find software for the 3DS one, because that thing cost me 500€ and there
@mitsunee that's sad :( I guess you could use Windows in Qemu for this, but that's not very convenient
@nina_kali_nina
I've been running FreeBSD as my primary OS since version 1.1.5 (in the 1990's) and I've been running 386BSD before that. Of course it depends on your needs, but for me it definitely worked fine. Never had Windows or Linux on my primary machine.
@nina_kali_nina Reasons to do not try FreeBSD?
It should have all at par as Debian as software that you seek, plus Wine and the Linux compatibility layer for run Linux binaries.
As I heard, the hardware issues are alike related to wifi, lans or GPU, but it could be meant just to install the driver post-installation.
OpenBSD and NetBSD are born with different objectives than being a desktop system, the lacking of Wine and some things should not surprise.
@raster they welcome AI contributions
@nina_kali_nina Perhaps you could evaluate two lesser know picks non-unix, Haiku and Aros.
I don't remember about have wine thought. I think you need to setup a VM for those times you need Windows binaries.
@raster they're lovely, but I wouldn't be comfortable running them as my main OS for stability and security reasons, unfortunately
@nina_kali_nina FreeBSD has not taken a real stance about AI-generated code yet, for being exact, except they tend to avoid for license concern. I cannot disagree with the doubts about this stance, anyway.
Some FOSS projects have already banned AI contributions for pratical reasons, first of all they went overwhelmed that they cannot reviewn the code, at all. I think in short future in general these submission are going to get excluded for these reasons than for ideological/moral matters.
@raster except they did allow AI contributions just fine, they have Claude authored commits.Their policy only prohibits fully automated and low quality PRs.
@moses_izumi I have Win98 running real fast (Pentium 200 MHz 100%) in dosbox-x on both NetBSD and OpenBSD. I haven't tried to use it for music production just yet, but that'd be my fallback if I fail to port PowerTab or TuxGuitar.
@nina_kali_nina GNU IMP. You've just fixed a naming problem for me. Thank you.
@grant_h I wasn't the first one who suggested to use this name. I think it's not a bad rebranding
@nina_kali_nina It is still easy to pronounce (to my English tongue), needs no massive refactoring of code, keeps the recognition. Ticks a lot of boxes.
@nina_kali_nina its fun to see these "giant projects" are just one person doing this in their free time. Those people rock. :)
@nina_kali_nina I've done this my whole life out of habit, being raised in a non-Windows household (OS/2, BeOS, etc). Always hitting a hardware compatibility list was critical for survival 'back in the day'. I'm happy for having this skill and reflex for anything tech I've ever purchased.
It wasn't just laptops in our household but also things like dvd players. We'd have tape on the top of certain ones that listed the 'regions' of the discs they'd play.
@nina_kali_nina
Back in the day, NetBSD did run on close to everything. And then some.
I'm curious: What problems did you run into? And what window manager are you running there?
@nina_kali_nina How do you like using "OpenBSD" so far?
@gh05t it's quite good, actually. If I won't be able to fix the issues in i915drmkms in NetBSD, I'll stay with OpenBSD and will boot to NetBSD only eventually
@nina_kali_nina that image sparked power tab nostalgia. I need to check if Peter Lindstrom transcriptions are still available.
Also, the report of all the lessons learned is super interesting. Thanks!
is there a job board that focuses only on good companies? places with a real sense of purpose, healthy work-life balance, thoughtful pace, and meaningful work. no grind, no noise, no constant rush
see also
so i have been learning #sam and #acme properly and oh my god. acme is the best editor i have ever used. i love the fact that it really is an os interface in its own right. i have been completely underutilising it. i now have a setup on my second desktop at all times.
sam just seems like ed on steroids with a lot of the acme benefits of the mouse interface.
i am using acme for actual work or writing and i use sam for quick edits or config files.
@gosha
yeah, plan9port (plan9 from user space) runs well on macos when you install in into /usr/local
@gosha
i highly recommend it,
https://9fans.github.io/plan9port/man/man1/install.html
thats the link to the guide i installed it with.
i cloned it in /usr/bin as a folder called plan9 and then did ./INSTALL and pasted the resulting commands it ended it with into my .zshrc and .zprofile :)
@ravenbrook never really touched plan9, but how would you compare acme to vim or kakoune if you have used those? like a few of the selling points of acme.
@alanxoc3 i have never used kakoune but i have used vim and vi quite a lot.
in acme you can type anywhere, anywhere there is text you can type and edit text that is there, adding extra commands you use a lot to the top blue bars.
you can execute commands from other programs (i compile LaTeX documents a lot within acme while editing them) in acme. in many ways its more of an ide.
compared to vim, its simpler to start with, like you can just type, and acme is far more mouse oriented.
will cont
@alanxoc3
like in acme there is mouse chording, which is entirely not present in vim. and it is global in many plan9 apps.
i use vi when i can because i find that i barely use many of vims actual functions, so i find acme has fewer redundant features to me. it supports the sam command language but i am yet to play with that.
i think this video does a good job of summing it far better than i could. its also by the main dev behind plan9port
@ravenbrook Thanks for sharing the video.
Like Kakoune, it looks like it has much nicer shell/binary execution support than vim.
Unlike Kakoune it has windowing and encourages mouse support. And I guess Kakoune has different edit modes.
There are probably way more differences than that though. It does look fun! Seems like the text editor people should get started with rather than notepad.exe.
It seems to be crashing quite a lot when doing things like resetting my password, or attempting to login from a third-party client.
Are there any, ANY Data Analytics, Visualization, Storytelling jobs out there that DO NOT require the use of AI just for the sake of AI?
I truly feel like I need to leave my current job as it has become unsustainable for me for multiple reasons, but whatever job ad I see out there also says AI this, AI that, and *for no good reason.* Just so they can say we "do AI."
... does this exist? am I looking for a unicorn?
Follow-up to this, I am noticing that what I gravitate towards more and more is a job that aligns with my values & morals. I want to do at least *some* good in the world - it should be a net positive.
ALSO incredibly hard to find. Nonprofits, charities, green tech, urbanism, anything?
Preferably remote in #Canada, but would consider hybrid in #yeg.
While I do not know, this sounds a lot like research university comms, or really any school.
@Amgine oh! hmm. I've been out of academia for a couple years, but that might be worth looking into again. thanks!
@robyn bruh, no. We're implementing some miraculous realtime analytics. Is you can dream it, it's being rendered on a webpage by the end of the week
@robyn honestly I think it’s the same game as with anything. Say “yes of course I’ll be in the office two days a week and use AI for everything including my trips to the bathroom” to the HR person and then do your job effectively once you’re hired and nobody’s gonna check shit. At least that’s how most places seem to work to me
My guess, and this is just a guess, is that it's a unicorn now. Today. In this era. But give it a year, probably less, and the whole "AI" con will implode. My understanding is that Cory Doctorow is right--AI is the asbestos we are shoveling into our walls and we're going to have to spend generations excising it. My advice--go raise sheep off the grid for a year, then come back as an AI slop code doctor.
@Uair I love this perspective, thank you.
plus, I've been reading Cory's works, and - I too think he's right. :)
@robyn Note: this is an under-educated guess and opinion.
I would say still apply to job listings with those. IF otherwise qualified. Speak up the qualifications you -do- have. And state you have ethical issues with LLMs. **As polite as one usually is while applying for a job.** But be prepared to not get the job.
🧵
@robyn @zkamvar We do data analytics for the charity sector in Australia and don’t use gen AI. We build ML models where it makes sense, but otherwise we use human intelligence, understanding and experience to help our clients do more with their data furthering their causes. So not a unicorn, but we’re profitable enough not to need to buy into the hype and our clients trust us enough not to ask for that crap.
TIL that macOS ships with `mg`, a sort-of Emacs clone
@never_released i think it came from openbsd
@cb @never_released It's an editor from OpenBSD. Unfortunately it doesn't support UTF-8 https://man.openbsd.org/mg#CAVEATS
mg?!@hi @never_released ctrl-z, pkill -9 mg. Just like vi 
Maybe in particular:
1. Lots of websites will geoblock instead of implementing this, because it’s too expensive. So even adults might lose access.
2. Adults might also lose their anonymity
3. Constant breaches mean your child’s information might leak
4. Evading bans might lead children to bad places RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:ybtyn5l4nljys46ijqtpldaw/post/3m7fvzrsitk2b
Article also by Taylor Lorenz: «[OSA] has led to mass censorship, with the de facto removal of vast swaths of content from the web. Tech companies find it easier and cheaper to simply remove mass amounts of information than have something slip through and be deemed non-compliant.»
Who is verifying if you should have access to this particular content? «Age verification is a massive gift to big tech. Persona, the leading third-party identity verification platform, recently announced a $2bn valuation after its latest funding round co-led by Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund.»
«Apple Inc. called the legislation a "serious threat" to end-to-end encryption, warning that it could force the company to weaken security features designed to protect users from surveillance.»
I personally think parents are reaching for legislation and tech solutions for something they should be talking with their kids, their schools and other parents about. I also think legislation could help in forcing platforms to follow up on reports, appeals and complaints.
Personally I don’t think most kids are mature enough to understand the privacy implications of social media, and in my experience it’s the parents who have made these accounts for them. And the parents who don’t want to say no. And who posts pictures of kids? Their families. We need to parent.
We can’t legislate ourselves out of parenting. And attempting to do so could create a world where our kids can never seek information without it being tied directly back to their real identity. And this information could potentially follow them for the rest of their lives.
Look at the US right now. It isn’t hard to see how this information could be weaponized because it already is. And given more systemic gathering of information it could be so much worse. You might trust your current government, but what about a future government?
You don’t know what a future government will look like.
As for evasion, do parents think that anyone over the age of 10 hasn’t heard of VPNs? «half of the top ten free apps in Apple's app download charts in the UK appeared to be for VPN services. And one app maker told the BBC it had seen an 1,800% spike in downloads.»
Then I guess the solution is to ban VPNs?
Two thousand year old #opsec advice:
Hoping that others will not hear is not the same as not speaking; hoping others won’t find out is not the same as not doing.
(from the Book of Han, a history book authored by a brother-sister pair)
#classicalchinese #fountainpen
Woot, all my static sites have been moved to my new @OpenBSDAms server! I've deleted my Hetzner server and updated the colophon on my homepage: https://gosha.net/colophon 
@gosha \o/
@gosha do mind if we add this toot to our website?
@OpenBSDAms Not at all, please do!
@gosha it’s up at https://openbsd.amsterdam/words.html
Love the Moomin!
The #OpenBSD Foundation's 2026 Fundraising Campaign pages are now live. The foundation raised $513,251 total in 2025. ☺️
I never gave y'all an update, but I got #getfedihired and it's pretty great. Thanks!
@nina_kali_nina It seems plausible that literally anyone who saw your projects in your Fedi feed would hire you immediately, that tracks. Congratulations.
@nina_kali_nina yay, congratulations! I hope the new job gives you peace of mind to comfortably hack even MOAR ^^
@nina_kali_nina Congrats 🎉 What’s the job?
@nina_kali_nina great news! I got the impression you were less than enamoured of the direction of things where you were before.
exciting: first 10 production mainboards for MNT Reform Next came in!
Heads up: Bitwarden CLI Compromised https://socket.dev/blog/bitwarden-cli-compromised
@nixCraft oh shoot.
CLI only (I say "only"... that's bad enough), yeah? or is there any indication this could extend to #Bitwarden on the whole?
@geofftc @nixCraft TY! I did see that note, but got confused as it called out specifically browser extensions that weren't affected, but didn't mention Bitwarden proper (outside of the vague "other legitimate distributions").
I'm going to take this to mean this really is limited to CLI for now. Thanks!
@hi Replying to get your replies in my notifications.
Edit: Currently using Markor. It's … fine. Just ugly. 🧐 Trying Joplin next.
@hi depends what kind of thing you're editing but for text, markor is pretty good
ideally: monospaced font, simple file browser or none at all, no markdown, no syntax highlighting, etc
@hi markor can do that
My problem with it was, it had way more features than I needed. You might have a similar issue, but it is a very good plaintext editor so probably worth trying
@hi I'm using simpletexteditor, which has treated me well, but I'm on the lookout for something with a "recent files" browser, so i don't need to keep digging through my folders 😅
@hi termux + vim ?
iA Presenter now lets you write charts. To make it easy, we had to completely redesign the UI for markdown tables: https://ia.net/topics/charts-and-tables
@ia Can we get this in iA Writer too, please!
@ia Will this come to iAWriter too? Would be really useful, including text-based tables.
@robertbigg It's built to be shared with Writer but we'll do Liquid Glass and Outline first. (LG is coming soon). No ETA on tables. It's good to give it some time with a wider audience, too, before we integrate it with Writer.
please boost
@hi OpenSCAD is the 3D cad software that I use on OpenBSD and in current it has recently been updated
A toss-up.
For simple stuff, I like TinkerCAD which is browser-based and freely available, but not freely-licensed. Good for throwing together a quick item to 3d-print. But also has a fairly low ceiling, and I find myself hitting limits pretty quickly there.
For stuff more complex than TinkerCAD can handle, I spent a while learning Blender. It's open-licensed (GPL) and has **far more** power than I'll ever learn/use. But it did the job.
Alas, it now uses Vulkan which doesn't work on some of my hardware where I'd be more prone to using it, so I haven't used it as much in the last couple years.
@hi i have no real-world experience to lend credence to my opinions, but programming shapes in OpenSCAD was very fun. so satisfying to refactor a physical object, and to make everything line up perfectly etc.
something like music grid...
#MastoAdmin on #OpenBSD feel:
@h3artbl33d how tf did you get a different mediaplayer to show up on the mastodon app 💀💀💀💀
I added the MP3 as an attachment. AFAIK this is how Mastodon displays the attachment; to the best of my knowledge it isn't a glitch-exclusive feature.
@h3artbl33d I've never seen a audio file here lol. Also I thought it was a video due to bad ui design.
@h3artbl33d totally unrelated question… why kind of "object" is this? The visual aspect while playing looks like an app content but the post rendering looks like an attached media file. 🤔
Hear me out: a stack based task management app. Shows you a stack of tasks you need to do, with one on top visible and the rest hidden under it. FIFO I guess? But you should be able to manually adjust where you put your new task when you add it, this can't be too strict.
Lists give me anxiety. Just show me what I need to do next, and that's it.
$ head -1 todo.mdgives me next todo item to work on.
to add items i just edit file in vi:
$ vi todo.mdbonus: i keep todo items blocked by other people in another file:
$ vi wait.mdand completed items moved to done.md stamped with date
$ echo "$(date +%Y%m%d) $(head -1 todo.md)" >> done.mdbonus 2: send a copy to my phone
$ sed -i .bak '1d' todo.md
$ rsync -litr ~/src/todo/ phone:storage/shared/src/todo/
@hi I love it, even though this feels like it has hints of org-mode in it!
a few flat plaintext files work really well and helps me stay focused. i haven't tried emacs, but i guess this is a pretty common pattern :)
@hi org-mode is powerful and awesome, but simple it is not. I’ll try something like your system for a bit, thank you for sharing!
@ratfactor your website is super cool! I really enjoyed the post about folding a fitted sheet, this has been a bane of my existence forever. I also discovered @OpenBSDAms through your website, makes me want to migrate from hetzner 
@gosha @ratfactor we are here if you want to give it a try.
@OpenBSDAms Just applied for a VM :) I've been running openbsd on hetzner for a few years now and I'm fairly satisfied with it (only problem I had was when I tried to self-host a RSS reader: some websites blocked traffic from hetzner IPs and so I couldn't fetch feeds), but I'd be very happy to use hosting that supports the openbsd foundation 🤘
@gosha @OpenBSDAms That rocks! Thank you! And yeah, totally give Openbsd.Amsterdam a shot. I was running a VM over there as a test for quite a while before I did my full switch-over. Plus: the sooner you join, the sooner you're donating to OpenBSD. 😁
Edit: I see that you did. Woohoo! 🥳
@ratfactor @OpenBSDAms Woohoo! I already managed to host my rss reader without any issues, going to be migrating all of my websites shortly :)
There are many ways to illustrate that things belong together or are related to each other. They are commonly known as “gestalt principles” (top)
What happens when you ignore them all? You get a UI that is absolutely undecipherable (bottom). Just one hot mess of everything with no indication what applies to what.
Sometimes minimalism can be too much.
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@grumpy_website This is too subtle for me. What are the things that belong together or are related to one another?
@grumpy_website Doing the good name of minimalism dirty by comparing it to this mess of spaghetti navigation.
@nini I know, but then I bet all this was motivated by “let’s remove all elements to make it look less busy”
@nikitonsky So streamlining without understanding what to keep and what to remove.
@nini and even how to organize. I agree this is not a fault of minimalism, but it is a minimalism-motivated, or minimalism applied wrong

We've had this long furling tape from Japan for the longest time, for years!! thinking it was in inches. Causing us lots of mistakes and fuck ups, the whole time we thought it was our own miscalculations, that we must have messed up in converting it to metric or something.
1) The unit on the tape is in tenth of a foot.
2) That's almost exactly 3cm, BUT NOT QUITE.
3) The ruler says FEET, but then breaks it down in 3cm segments each divided in tenth of a tenth of foot.
WHAT THE FUCK RULER
@neauoire Perfectly cromulent semi-SI units. Decifeet, centifeet, kilofeet ![]()
@alderwick here I was hating on the fact that the word "hexadecimal" mixes up latin and greek roots.
@tezoatlipoca @ori @neauoire milli-inches is already a thing, called a "thou" and used in engineering and machining.
@neauoire shaku-sun-bu approximator based on international feet, I guess? unless zhat's slightly off and actually 0.9942x ze measurement on your tri-blade ruler, which'd mean it's literally just shaku-sun-bu
@yaodema it's a german triblade, so I think that's probably actual feet. If not, our measurements have been fucked on meta levels.
@neauoire oh I mean your tri-blade being *actual feet* and zhis weird ruler being off by a tiny amount you can't see wizhout calipers, here. shaku are defined as 30.3cm to a foot's 30.48, after all
@yaodema I'm just here questioning everything now, I don't have enough rulers on the boat to be doubly sure of anything.
@cerement @yaodema @neauoire I was about to answer this myself, but decided to check first.
Perfect answer.
So I'll add that you can have similar mishaps in China with chi-cun-fen measures (often still used in tailoring). Indeed the Imperial inch is referred to in China as literally "English cun".
The shaku-sun-bu measurements were almost certainly derived from older chi-cun-fen measurements, but have diverged over time. The Mainland chi today is 33+1/3cm, IIRC, to the shaku's 30.3cm.
@neauoire i got more cursed units where that came from
@angelwood @neauoire what’s pɢgʟq
We kindda wanna pass it on, but we'll have to put a label on it something, like: CURSED UNITS, experimental uses only.
@neauoire Apparently it is not a rare thing in oilfield work? I recently watched this https://youtu.be/sdWEGzWFcCc?t=276 which has lots of other fascinating horrible units, but that's the bit that talks about "decimal feet".
decimal feet used to be somewhat common in all kinds of engineering, but it seems to have stuck around longest in civil engineering.
@khm @blakecoverett @neauoire yeah I was about to say it's a decimal feet tape measure for like, surveying purposes.
That's pretty hilarious though.
@neauoire isn’t that just a standard drafting scale, at 1:10000 feet? We used the metric ones in school, but they were standard scales.
@neauoire
So, wait—when it hits 10, does it go back to 0 and count up in tenths of a foot until it gets to 2 feet? As in there are no 11 and 12 marked on there?
Wow, just found one that does both:
@neauoire
In forestry management we use imperial tape measures divided into 10 instead of 12. Specifically when measuring the diameter of a tree trunk. It means the result is a straight decimal, ie. 3.4' or 3.9' instead of 3'-4 4/5" or 3'-10 13/16".
I mean, yeah, metric would be easier all around, but at least this method does make tabulating and synthesising results in spreadsheets easier for Americans when it's in tenths of a foot vs twelfths.
@neauoire
And you should see the back side of that same measuring tape - it measures "inches", but each "inch" is in actually 3.14159 (pi π) inches long, so that you don't have to do math in the field to convert circumference to diameter!
Super handy for those who know. Flabbergasting to those who don't.
@neauoire It's engineering units. I have an old folding rule, inches on one side and tenths on the other. It can be confusing. Anyhow, if you were working off plans with measurements in tenths, it is easier to use this kind of tape than converting numbers on site.
@neauoire this is very funny, but also what very specific reason is there for this to exist?
@neauoire weird units rulers like that were also a cause of the Vasa disaster: https://theworld.org/stories/2013/08/15/new-clues-emerge-centuries-old-swedish-shipwreck
@neauoire holy _shit_ that's the most cursed thing I can imagine
"Make sure your measuring tapes are calibrated!" 😂
@neauoire
Next up imperial meters where each meter is exactly 40 inches.
@niels that cracked me up
@neauoire @niels Ever since learning about the short ton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_ton, 907kg, in the US apparently often called just the ton) I wish we defined a “long yard”, equal to 1m, and call it just “yard” in Europe for convenience.
Possibly stumbled onto the high-level language of my dreams.
@neauoire which one? is it a take on https://github.com/elis/ji ?
@neauoire
Was going to say, it looks like an infix version of Forth.
@RealGene this is postfix, but there's no stack.
So forward slash is not a divide operator?
which in postfix would be:
y2^y '[res^x] y2 /
Also, the table is missing 1 x 1 😀
@RealGene it is, but cells in memory are fractions, instead of unsigned integers. The only possible operation is the multiplication of fractions.
So, if a program has these 3 cells: 2^2 3/2 5/6
[] 2^2 3/2 5/[2 3]
[2^2] 3/2 5/[2 3]
[2 3] 5/[2 3]
[5]
Reached in 4 steps.
@neauoire stole some ideas from this to print Pascal's Triangle
I'm considering bumping the macOS requirements for my binary package repository available at https://pkgsrc.smartos.org/install-on-macos/ again.
There's already a bunch of packages missing because they have newer C++ requirements than Xcode 15.4 supports.
What OS are folks running?
| macOS 14 Sonoma: | 3 |
| macOS 15 Sequoia: | 15 |
| macOS 26 Tahoe: | 10 |
OpenBSD -current is now "7.9-current" https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260420053238 #openbsd #development #current #newrelease #security #freesoftware #libresoftware
please boost
| i'm happy with my job: | 12 |
| it's okay: | 20 |
| not happy: | 7 |
| see results: | 3 |
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@hi I'm a computer programmer. I've wanted to do this since I was six years old, and I get to work on really interesting/challenging stuff (3D reconstruction, GNSS mapping, a bunch of 2D rendering, that kind of stuff).
This is very much due to the job I have. I've worked at another company before that burned me out enough to have me stare into space seriously wondering if I made a mistake going into IT more than once.
I love how the average "just a simple flashlight" app on Google Play is like 200 MiB and the average "This contains the entire knowledge of the universe, requires Android 4.0 or newer" app on F-Droid is like 20 KiB. XD
Folks were telling me about GrayJay (client for YT and others), but it's like hecka hundred megabytes, and I'm thinking, "WHY!??"
A virtual Android environment itself would be quite the resource hog, methink.
Reminds me, I've got a Pixel 3a collecting dust puppies in my home office closet, I really need to flash it with #pmOS. ;)
The 3a is the best-supported phone for pmOS outside of the PinePhone (original, not Pro), if memory serves me.
This goes back to my one infamous comment, "I'd rather deal with a heat-belching x86 phone with two minutes of battery life than an ARM-based laptop." 😂
Hardware support on that architecture seems to be a real bugbear. I celebrate the accomplishments of teams like the Asahi guys, yet mourn that their heroic work essentially obfuscates the fact that "Apple Silicon" computers are absolute bricks without herculean reverse-engineering efforts.
This is a sad state of affairs.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I haven't had great luck with my 3a with pmOS. I haven't even been able to get it to establish a cellular connection using physical sims from multiple providers. Combine that with a (now) badly declining battery and I've never even come close to being able to test it as a daily driver. (This is over multiple attempts through the last couple of years.)
I hope this doesn't read like a criticism of the pmOS folks; they've done incredible work and I appreciate the hell out of it (although I wish they'd have stuck with OpenRC instead of SloppyD).
Hopefully y'alls will have better luck than I, but I figured I should at least share my experience to date. Despite the ongoing issues, it has certainly gotten better every time I've pushed a new image to the phone.
@be0ba @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Ah, that's a bummer to hear. :/
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I just built a new image using plasma-mobile and packages from edge; I'll take it with me tomorrow and see if I can get the modem working. I don't have cell service at home.
Like I said, things have always seemed to be better every time I try. Not necessarily huge leaps, but improvements all the time.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Okay, so it boots but plasma-mobile is still somewhat unhappy at times. When you switch the active SIM slot (for me, the eSIM is the default and I must run `sudo mmcli -m 0 --set-primary-sim-slot 1'), the settings app invariably crashes. The Crash Reporter also tends to crash regardless of whether or not anything else has crashed.
5GHz WiFi is still a no-go; for some reason it can't manage the encryption, but 2.4GHz works perfectly fine.
Overall interactivity is... okay. Sluggish in comparison to literally any Android phone I've ever used. For comparison, I fired up my Motorola Droid RAZR (circa 2011) with Android 4 and there is literally no comparison in terms of responsiveness. (Also, holy crap, this old Android 4 feels so incredibly dated...) The ancient Motorola just screams through UI animations and apps opening where the Pixel 3a just... limps along. There are other options for the UI, but plasma-mobile has well proven to be the least glitchy of them for me.
I got Firefox installed which seems to come from Flathub (clocking in at 271.2MiB). It works well enough, Reddit loaded, videos played with working sound. Waterfox doesn't seem to be available, but I've just found that Librewolf (393.7MiB [no idea why it's so much bigger; pre-installed extensions?]) is so I'll test it since it's not #slopware. This too works perfectly on the perfunctory Reddit test.
The last time I tested this, the screen would get stuck in orientation, and vertical was always upside down. This hasn't happened at all yet, which is a wonderful improvement in my book.
The modem is picking up at least some network signals with an active sim selected, which is also great news. Only tomorrow will tell if it can actually manage to connect to the network.
If I manage to get it to connect to the cellular network tomorrow I'll report back. If I don't, you can assume that it didn't. Or that I forgot to post about it, or forgot to test and am too embarrassed to mention it.
@be0ba @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Man, I gotta say, that does not sound like fun. :/
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
It's not really the phone's fault though, or even postmarketOS. It was also really unfair for me to compare responsiveness to Android even though it's the direct competitor. Android is stupid optimised to run on these things, and older Android apps had to run on really limited hardware and make the most of it.
What's running on this now 7 year old hardware is an entirely modern software stack that struggles on modern hardware. Firefox/Librewolf actually responded a LOT better than I expected. They were actually more responsive than the WM. KDE Plasma isn't exactly lightweight, even as a mobile WM. The limited amount of RAM in a Pixel 3a is also limiting in terms of modern stuff, having only 4GB. I think I'll try using swap-in-zram along with some sysctl tuning to help alleviate that. Perhaps bpftune and adaptivemm can help make a difference as well.
I think using a lighter UI would help a lot, but all of those options seem to say to use a stylus because they're not really mobile UIs and I don't have a stylus. I also think carrying a stylus around to use a phone not designed for one would make an even worse experience.
@be0ba @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Have you tried #SXMo?
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I have not, but I will just as soon as the new image finishes building and I push it to the phone. I wish I had something else ARM based around here to build it ..... wait. My 7 Pro has that new-ish Linux-in-a-VM terminal.
Now I have to try to build a postmarketOS image on a VM on a phone....
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Okay, this is will take some getting used to, but I think I like it. It is also snappy AF. This feels so much nicer to work with; no lag at all.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
One thing I note is that using sxmo-de-sway on pmOS doesn't seem to ask for a user pin/password on startup. You just go straight to the desktop which is not necessarily amazing. It's still cool though. Trying to figure out how to set up the APN for the cellular connection now. Also, how to tell networkmanager about the cellular connection...
EDIT: Apparently the autologin is an intended feature, according to the sxmo documentation. I'll try to figure out how to turn that off as well.
EDIT EDIT: No, you can't turn that off. The recommended action is to enable full disk encryption and use that for access control which is exactly not how that is supposed to work. So, SXMO explicitly does not support any kind of access control at any point in the usage experience which is.... not great.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
ModemManager is not happy with swapping SIM slots now. FML. I can get a nice, super responsive UI or I can get a possibility of connecting to a cellular network. Accursed thing.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I'm also definitely running into https://gitlab.com/sdm670-mainline/linux/-/issues/6 which is a bug where the touchscreen stops responding. I can ssh in and kill sway and restart tinydm and everything will come back up but that doesn't exactly help in the real world... Interesting that I wasn't having any issues with that under plasma.
@hi just a little reminder that the original Doom only required ~2MB of disk-space while Doom II took ~15MB of disk-space.
For the additional disk-space used, are those mobile apps really providing you that much more value than just playing Doom or Doom II? 😆
i'm looking at uxn roms and asking myself why do we allow more than tens of kilobytes for an app?
Yesterday was our second-highest solar generation day so far: 93.123kWh.
I sort of wish their web interface had a high score tracker.
(Although eventually we'll hit a maximum and be unable to surpass it due to physics so I suppose it'd get a bit stale after a year or so.)
They do show CO2 reduction of 1.42 tons and equivalent of 78 trees planted.
Not sure how accurate those equivalents are, but that's a bit mind boggling. It hasn't even been a full month yet.
@bigzaphod I’m a bit jealous every time you post about your solar generation. My panels still have a foot of snow on them 🫠 Come onnnnn, spring! Stop being so slow!
I'm sure that those equivalents are making an assumption about the energy production from the power company being coal or natural gas or something, but my power company is around 50% renewable with 40% of it wind power, if I remember right. As slow as they were with the paperwork and approvals, I'm pretty happy with how hard they've been working to reduce coal and natural gas.
@hi we have 42 panels on the roof, but due to angles and trees of course it's rare when they are all getting sun. Rated capacity is 14.618kW. I think in theory it could be higher than that since the panels themselves have a rated max of 440kW and with 42 of them that'd be 18.48kW, but I suspect they put some fudge factors in here because no one ever hits theoretical max (plus, angles, shade, clouds, losses from micro inverters, etc...).
@hi yeah three sides here too. Only getting near max for an hour or two a day at most. And not even then, really. I have a chimney that casts an unfortunate shadow. 😛
@hi I want to cover my entire yard in panels and power all the neighbors too. 😛
@bigzaphod that’s a huge chunk of power!
I only generated about 18 kWh yesterday. I’d really like to add more panels some day; it would be great to hit a point where I harvest more from the sun than my home uses.
@bigzaphod That a pretty big install! What's the maximum instantaneous output? (Panel wattage x panels)
@bigzaphod Could have it like weather apps - high and low for the last year. That lets you at least see the most recent data, which is really what you care about. The high and low would have dates that would update too when hit.
We can dream anyway ha
good parts: can ssh into my phone and can fine-tune permissions
what i miss after using iphones for almost two decades: a smoothly working camera, a consistent user interface (including things like tap-to-scroll-to-top, password manager), reliable notification delivery, and airplay
what i had to give up (but wasn't too hard): face id, find my, airdrop, carplay, messages (imessage), safari, wallet
bonus: even though the screen size is nearly the same, the #pixel 10a feels bigger than my #iphone. naked, it's too slippery; in a case, it's bulky and still a bit slippery…
oh well,.. i guess that's the price you pay for having rsync on your phone ❤️
@hi Amaya I ask your approach to siloing apps within profiles? I am still trying to wrap my head around that.
if you want notifications (messaging, calls, etc), those apps must live in your active profile. i may be wrong, still learning...
see also
@hi it is not possible to get notifications from a profile when using another, as far as I know. The profiles isolation is really strong.
@hi Are you satisfied with how Android Auto works on GOS?
@hi I'm not surprised. As much as I love GrapheneOS and the thought of an independent, completely private and secure operating system, it comes with some tradeoffs which aren't for everyone.
B2F » 🌐
@B2F@mas.to
Excellent work and welcome to the fre(e)cosystem!
FYI you can install Android Auto from the GOS native App Store and doing a quick search it supports 100st 3rd party apps from what I can tell, that could replace your carplay and other stuff.
Never mind I saw you alreaddy tried 🍻 my bad, I didnt saw the posts
FUN FACT
I said earlier that I was porting LibreWolf to NetBSD, inspired by my success porting it to *OpenBSD*. However, someone already made this:
https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
This effort, by a different person, is already underway to port LibreWolf in NetBSD.
I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so, I shall discontinue the effort that I started; I started porting LibreWolf to NetBSD, unaware of any existing effort.
Being an OpenBSD ports maintainer shall suffice. Besides, I don't use NetBSD.
@libreleah Can't see Librewolf for Void. ;)
overall sense of well-being: clean air and water, enough food, stable housing, health, relationships, and personal freedom...
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@hi voted "long term" but only because of the many people I'm lucky to have in my life that know i can turn to.
No illusions, there were very many points in the last 20 years where, if not for family and friends, I'd certainly be homeless, and quite possibly dead.
I'm trying to set multi-boot for NetBSD, OpenBSD, and a bunch of smaller OSes on the same device. OpenBSD partitioning was a biiiit tough, but I figured it out. NetBSD partitioning was pure chaos, with parted segfaulting on me a few times (fun!). But if I didn't do anything wrong, I'll have it up and running... The trick seems to be to leave space un-partitioned before the installation, and just cut off the space off the disk little by little.
I feel like partitioning and OOB experiences are something to be improved if these systems want to be more used by normies. But then maybe the devs specifically don't want _that_ :)
This mini-guide was super helpful for OpenBSD install with encryption: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/m0b7wt/comment/gq7088o/
This one was neat for setting up xfce: https://www.birkey.co/2022-01-29-openbsd-7-xfce-desktop.html
My NetBSD install is not encrypted, but I can live with it.
But ... what is the actual boot loader then, and where does it live?
@flberger I have a FAT32 partition for EFI, and it has an EFI for Grub and OpenBSD. I plan to put NetBSD EFI there, too. My main loader is going to be Grub, from where I could chainload into any other EFI loader, or load kernels directly
@flberger sorry if that sounds like a lot of gibberish! :D I can explain
No no, I can follow. Thanks!
Reminds me that I am still much too DOS/BIOS in my head. 😆 Fancy what's possible in the 21st century. Chaining! Damn. 😁
@flberger there's even a new project that ships legacy BIOS as a EFI "kernel" for machines that don't have DOS compatibility. 🤯 UEFI->Grub->this wrapper->DOS->loadlin is possible
Okay, I failed spectacularly, with NetBSD installer rewriting the installer system on the install USB stick :D Oh well, at least my real disk is alive and well (for now)
I forgot to connect the charger to the laptop, and my computer died during fdisk doing its magic :D
My OpenBSD install is fully up and running (encrypted disk, wifi, XFCE, Firefox - will compile LibreWolf later), so it's time to configure NetBSD. NetBSD doesn't seem to support my WiFi card, but it should have accelerated video, and generally everything should work fine in it, so I'll keep using it when I can.
@nina_kali_nina are you doing this all on the same disk or at least making multiple OSes per disk? If so I'm curious how nicely the BSDs play with each other in the same partition table...
@thomasjwebb Multiple OSes per the same disk with a very complicated partition table. I have a single SSD with an MBR (for reasons). I think I've had far less issues if I've used GPT, or simply wanted to have _just_ two BSDs. But I am greedy and I want more
@nina_kali_nina given I've also had problems (on my old notebook) I'm starting to think NetBSD is developed with servers in mind...
I'll appreciate the multiboot guide from it
@nina_kali_nina
- How is climbing the K2 doing?
- You know, I have NetBSD and OpenBSD installed and running on the same laptop.
- Oh! Don't rush it then.
@nina_kali_nina Ah, thanks for testing that. I've always wondered whether that would work.
(When I installed some Linux today I noticed the USB drive from which I had booted wasn't listed among the targets. I guess now I know why. (It also means I couldn't have chosen to install it on a second partition on the USB drive though.))
@nina_kali_nina So.. it’s not self-hosting?
In the case of, NetBSD is not capable
of installing itself somewhere else?
@boiert no, why? It's just I made a mistake and got confused by the installer at first
@nina_kali_nina Yeah I was thinking of Debians’ debootstrap .. but you don’t do Linux 😸.
@nina_kali_nina I wonder what smaller OSs you're trying. Anything worth knowing? I've tried many lesser known ones over the last couple of years. So many didn't boot. Most of the remaining ones were not in a state that made you want to write or port software for them. Few remain on my (mental) list of smaller OSs worth knowing. I'd like to expand that list if possible.
@nina_kali_nina Aiai, now I see the post I did not see on mobile. Sorry.
...I had similar pains with some NetBSD partitioning fiddling recently. Also when I was migrating from OpenBSD to NetBSD and found that FFS != FFS (for f's sake). And on very low memory systems I was led to conclude that GPT probably wasn't worth the increased kernel sizes, so .. I usually boot some OS/2 installer first and do my MBR partitioning from there. It seems to be the only way to be surehave any hope at all I can install OS/2 on the machine at some point in the future. :D
@ltning ha-ha, it was MBR with extra things, like wedge for NetBSD and encrypted partition with partitions in for OpenBSD
> This one was neat for setting up xfce: https://www.
birkey.co/2022-01-29-openbsd-7
All well and good but does not explain how to partition the disk slice to enable installation of several gigs of GUI software.
OpenBSD defaults to something like 9 partitions, and even when I give it 32GB or so, it doesn't leave enough room for non-trivial amounts of GUI apps. E.g. I install Xfce and don't have room left for Firefox, or install Firefox and then can't add Xfce.
It is an OS _crying out_ for some kind of LVM, and let's face it, it would not be hard to devise a better LVM system than the abomination that is built into Linux.
Workaround of this problem is installing everything on a single slice mounted at "/". It lowers OS security level though.
I mean - that's the only way I know :)
*Nod*
This is what I have to do too, yes.
It is why whenever I see some alpha-nerd praising the openBSD installer and especially the partitioner, I jump down their throat & do my best chestburster impression.
Inevitably the mouth-breathing twonks are loud amateurs who have never tried a multi-disk triple-boot setup in their bloody lives.
@lproven @as400 I got bitten by that on my 32 GB SSD, too. The current install I have has almost 300 GB allocated to OpenBSD. The default partitioning table is 20G for /usr and 20G for /usr/local, which is plenty, so I don't expect to run out of space there anytime soon. I guess "sensible defaults" aren't always sensible.
Partitioning with "I'm installing OpenBSD as a second OS" is very non-straightforward though :<
@nina_kali_nina @as400 I believe you!
My testbed ThinkPad W500 has a roughly 200GB SSD and it multi boots XP64, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Crunchbang++ and Alpine Linux.
That took a *lot* of work, and of all of them, OpenBSD was the most problematic by far. I don't have room to install anything more than the default window manager.
@nina_kali_nina sooo... why exactly is disk partitioning so messed up in *BSD land? Is it a leftover from when everything had very little disk space? (see: why user-installed packages were put in the users' personal files directory and users' personal files got evicted to the home folder)
end game setup
$ find starwars2 -name \*.jpeg | imgs2png.sh 312 32 312-32 | sort | imgs2gif.sh 312-32.gif
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made with #imagemagick, #ffmpeg, and a tiny #shell script
In the 1960s, the B-52 bomber could navigate by the stars. Celestial navigation requires spherical trigonometry, so an analog Angle Computer solved these equations electromechanically. Let's look inside...
The "Astro Tracker" was the heart of the celestial navigation system. The 4-inch clear bubble stuck out from the top of the aircraft to view the stars. Inside, a telescope and photomultiplier tube tracked a star, steered by motors and prisms.
Inside the Angle Computer, a star pointer corresponds to the position of the star on the celestial sphere. Gears move the pointer to match the star's coordinates (called the declination and Local Hour Angle).
The back of the Angle Computer has devices called synchros that read out the star's position relative to the aircraft. At the bottom, motors drive the mechanism.
This close-up of the Angle Computer shows the complexity of the gears inside. The thicker brass-colored cylinders are differential gears that add two signals using rotations.
For more on the electromechanical Angle Computer, see my article: https://www.righto.com/2026/04/B-52-star-tracker-angle-computer.html
@kenshirriff Do you know what accuracy it could achieve?
I saw an interview with WW2 navigator who said he could only determine the location of the airfield to within 5 miles (with a sextant) .. in a bomber over Germany, he was lucky to even find the right town!
@vk2bea They say that the accuracy was within 0.1 degree.
@kenshirriff .. so about 11 km at 34 degrees north.
I guess with a 10 megaton bomb, it's good enough. If Dr Strangelove is anything to go by, the final bombing run used radar 😸
@kenshirriff Thank you, this is a wonderful article! I had been wondering how celestial navigation worked in planes and missiles.
For all practical intents and purposes, this information is useless for me, but reading the article makes me happy.
If knowing how to build a positioning system for a strategic bomber in a post-GPS/GNSS world ever becomes practically useful to me: thank you again and may God help us all.
@kenshirriff Wait is this the inspiration for the R2 units plonked in the back of the Tie Fighters in Star Wars?
@kenshirriff Have you seen any of Alexander the OK,s videos on YouTube? if not have a look you might find them interesting.
@kenshirriff stuff like this reminds me of 2 things:
1 The Antikytheria mechanism.
2 A short story (by Heinlein I think) I read many years ago, about the problems of building a spacecraft in a civilisation that has not discovered electricity.
@kenshirriff Welcome to the root physics of gyroscopic measures; brought to you by Spin Physics.
Milankovitch would be proud.
@numodular Although this unit looks like a gyroscope, it is not at all a gyroscope. There is nothing spinning.
@kenshirriff I shall update the media to stop the spin, and send the astronauts back to the moon ;-)
@kenshirriff @siracusa wasn’t there an SR-71 story about it this not working in the southern hemisphere? Or they couldn’t fit both halves in memory or some such?
@kenshirriff is this the same one that was in the SR-71?
@dnaunton The SR-71 used a different system, the NAS-14V2 astroinertial navigation system. Nortronics built the SR-71 system and Kollsman built the B-52 system. The B-52 system is said to have also been used in the Hound Dog cruise missile. A very detailed document on the SR-71 star tracker is here: https://audiopub.co.kr/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NAS-14V2-ANS-System.pdf
@kenshirriff @dnaunton this is fascinating. I also congratulate you on one of the clearest summaries of celestial navigation I have read.
Ages ago I read Francis Chichester’s account of his solo float plane flight from New Zealand to Australia in the 1930s, when he pioneered aerial celestial nav. He went into some detail and was undoubtably a kind of genius, but completely incomprehensible! The man was not a writer. Or much of a mechanic… and that almost killed him.
@kenshirriff I was wondering if satellite constellations fucks this up? I think these are still in use and given a dooms day scenario, it's likely anti-SAT weapons will be used and GPS may be jammed or useless.
@kenshirriff That's quite a piece of mechanical engineering. Aircraft machinery is wildly complicated.
The B-58 Hustler had the first digital navigation computer on a plane. They came up with a clever low-resource trig function algorithm called CORDIC. This was later used in the first pocket scientific calculators.
The SR-71 system was informally called R2-D2. That document says it required an air conditioning trailer on the ground.
@kenshirriff I’m curious about the horizon. I guess they used artificial. Did it correct for altitude? Ex-mariner used a sextant for 15 yrs b4 satnav was a thing.
MNT Station prelaunch page is finally online at @crowdsupply: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt-research/mnt-station
Subscribe by leaving your email there if you're interested in updates about our universal open hardware computer for your desktop, homelab, or wall-mounted edge device/router!
many thanks @holo_memory and @bnys for getting the page up! the industrial design is done by Ana Dantas once again.
@mntmn @holo_memory @bnys
What version of USB are the external ports, if you don't mind? I assume something modern (3.1, 3.2, ? I can't keep track) but it would be nice to have the details on that page. Or is the USB version a function of the MNT Reform Processor Module?
@mntmn congrats on the prelaunch! ~~out of curiosity, did you ever consider adding PoE headers?~~ ah, nvm, I thought this was a different PCB design, PoE on a laptop motherboard is admittedly a pretty niche feature.
@crowdsupply BTW we've been using a bunch of these internally for development for a while already (for example as a dev setup for Quasar), and it's been really handy
@mntmn @crowdsupply I recently had my company order me a ThunderScope for my day job... I'm awaiting delivery.
Just today I was thinking that an MNT reform would work well as a controller/hub/visualization sever for my telemetry setup.
I'm currently using a RPI CM5 and Alchitry Pt FPGA board. But that means I'll have to roll my own battery setup, etc.
And now this post. Cool.
I think I'll try to get the company to buy MNT hardware for me to try out as a next gen platform.
@poleguy @crowdsupply oh neat, happy to hear! one can also make custom top plates with built-in display(s) for example
I see you have two Kintex versions of the processor. That's very interesting to me as an #FPGA dev.
I'm generally a cheap-skate, so I look at the price of those and question the value proposition for an exploratory side project with no real aim, but on the other-hand, it is still cheaper than a lot of the dev boards.
I'm also thinking I would like to build a mash-up with my Alchitry Pt based FPGA design that has a pair of coax run to the transceivers for telemetry.
@moses_izumi @crowdsupply will be cheaper as you'll be able to get the case separately from the mainboard and the modules etc, so you can mix + match
@mntmn @crowdsupply
No expansion slots and only USB-C power means it's just like the MoBo in an all-in-one PC.
More use than a Rasberry Pi, but less use than a compact workstation with a couple of PCI-e slots or a real laptop (integrated screen and UPS).
It's too small.
@raymaccarthy @crowdsupply what do you mean by no expansion? there are at least 2x (3x with rk3588) internal pcie expansion options and 2x internal usb headers
@mntmn @crowdsupply
I couldn't see any PCIe slots. All I could see was a too compact PCB.
USB-C power wastes a port and limits consumption. Stupid even for a laptop. Only just acceptable on a tablet, if there is more than one USB-C port.
The EU USB-C mandate doesn't forbid additional connectors if needed.
It's better than a Raspberry Pi for projects that need more I/O and CPU, but not a replacement for a decent laptop or even a compact workstation.
It certainly deserves to succeed.
@raymaccarthy @crowdsupply but there is a secondary direct power connector on the board! JST-PH connector. you can feed in a wide range of voltages
@mntmn I do like the idea of router, but needs more gbit ethernet
@Mutesplash can be added via mpcie, just needs one more port opening/cover on a long side maybe
@mntmn Interested in this because I just today upgraded internet and learned my old APUs cannot do line speed gigabit routing 😬 One of these guys have the juice?
@mntmn
Will there be a version with 2x ethernet some day? For routers it
is good to have 2.
@crowdsupply
@chfkch @crowdsupply this is only prelaunch, so based on feedback we could still make changes like that
@mntmn @chfkch @crowdsupply If you could somehow make these boards have 3x (or even 4x) 1Gbit Ethernet interfaces they could replace aging pcengines APUs maybe
@stsp @mntmn @chfkch @crowdsupply not saying, that I'm kind of dreaming about an APU replacement with 8gb ram, m.2 slot and and 3-4x 2.5 GbE, but..
@fellmoon @stsp @chfkch @crowdsupply is there a special usecase for more than 2 ethernet ports or is it to eliminate the need for an extra switch near it?
@mntmn @stsp @chfkch @crowdsupply it may eliminate the need for an extra switch for small setups or enable physically isolated networking with multiple switches.
@fellmoon @mntmn @chfkch @crowdsupply And a third port can be used for a direct cross-link between two systems, e.g. for syncing state between redundant firewalls running pf and carp/vrrp. The ability to keep sync traffic physically separated from uplink and downlink traffic is nice for security and simplicity.
@mntmn It's going to be so tempting to replace the MNT Station's lid with a small ortholinear keyboard PCB. 👀💦 Turn it into a proper little wedge computer.
@mntmn it would be nice if there were a PCIe slot where one could choose to plug a quad-NIC or a multi SATA/NVMe adapter; depending on the need for a firewall/router or a NAS.
@mntmn @crowdsupply any chance of getting one of these without a processor module?
I have two modules at the moment
@mntmn @crowdsupply wish I had the need for a new pc or the money for one, but if both those conditions line up, I'd love to buy what yall are doing
these look great!!
@mntmn @crowdsupply This looks really cool. I am a bit surprised about the distribution of USB-A and USB-C ports though. Neither USB type is going away any time soon, but having only one USB-C port available seems to be rather limiting. And if that USB-C port is already occupied by the power cable, you can't use it for something else.
This is just my 2c. Different people want to do different things with this device and many people might not need more than one USB-C port.
RE: https://nondeterministic.computer/@mjg59/116424709251813699
if "like that" includes:
- enclosure of the commons in violation of copyright and licensing
- destroying the environment
- creating a massive economic bubble
- poisoning open source codebases
- rotting the brains of those who use it
- turning software development from a skill you can build into a utility you have to rent
then yeah, I'll unapologetically say "not like that"
the only real trade-off is adjusting the time every week or so… but i rarely wear it for more than a few days at a time anyway.
surprisingly, it keeps time quite well (only drifting about 15...20 seconds a month), and it's both waterproof and shock-resistant. can handle running, jumping, swimming and whatever else i usually do
...oh, and at some point i have to service it to keep it running smoothly and waterproof. haven't done it once in years.
good old waterfall, none of that agile stuff :)
Oomfies, what's more gay? The winner is likely going to be my desktop OS. Others ideas are welcome, as long as it's fairly usable, open source and not Linux
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@nina_kali_nina have you considered Mia Rose as your desktop environment?
I can stretch loooon, maybe I can cover a lot of your desk 
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@joe@f.duriansoftware.com
@nina_kali_nina can't speak firsthand to its gayness, but Haiku seems like it might fit your other criteria
@joe it might, but I fear for safety/security etc etc. It's a primary machine after all
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@nina_kali_nina ah yeah it's probably not good for that. though it is cool that the base OS and apps are immutably mounted directly from the set of packages you have installed, which is something you need to do extra work to get with any *BSD (though of course when you're always root in Haiku, it's still not hard to simply install or alter packages to indirectly alter the OS)
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @joe@f.duriansoftware.com i would not really use either on a primary machine. i've tried to daily drive both at a more rebellious point in my life
@nina_kali_nina
OpenBSD! (But OTOH how would I know, being old and cis and straight and probably a troublemaker)
@nina_kali_nina i mean, i am hardly the expert, but you seem to have picked like the two least gay options.
@drj @nina_kali_nina I don't know how to grade this (is it the SysV/BSD split?), but I'd bet good money on Oracle Solaris being less gay.
@nina_kali_nina NetBSD, but with a pride flag. 🥳✨🏳️🌈
GayBSD fork ETA when?!
@nina_kali_nina fairly usable and bsd?
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @Kierkegaanks@beige.party
try apple os. good gui over some variant unix. most polished distro but has creepy hardware reqs.
@m3t00 @Kierkegaanks no thanks, I'm on it and I hate it. My root account isn't root and I can't even install an alternative OS
@nina_kali_nina ... now that you made me think about it, OpenBSD looks gayer, but NetBSD looks queerer...
@nina_kali_nina why not FreeBSD? It’s a while since I last looked at BSDs, but I believe FreeBSD was the more desktop oriented one, that and Dragonfly.
IMHO NetBSD is kind of a “research” project these days. Not sure anyone uses it in anger, or as a desktop OS.
@WiteWulf they still don't have an anti-AI statement. :(
@nina_kali_nina @WiteWulf Haiku is apparently, very anti-slop.
They recently just made a change on their forum which moves slops to the same category as "Proprietary" and outright banning slop-generated content on their forum.
https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/changes-to-forum-rules-categories-for-llm-generated-content/19103
@WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina FreeBSD allows slop contributions
@analog_feelings @WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina In that FreeBSD pulls from upstreams, I guess. They specifically call out “AI” emitted code as the kind of low-quality stuff they don’t accept:
@bob_zim @WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina they call out AI code that hasn't been human reviewed, they have accepted code from anthropic written by claude.
@bob_zim @WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina OpenBSD has also fallen into the same fate of AI slop, which is ironic considering they pride themselves in security and vulnerability free code.
@analog_feelings @bob_zim @WiteWulf I've seen Theo saying it's uncopryightable and has no place in the project though?
@analog_feelings @bob_zim @WiteWulf one is fetched from upstream tmux, one is just reported by Claude, but it's pretty :<
@nina_kali_nina This is like asking which shovel is more like a love sonnet.
(For the record, I voted NetBSD because they have greater platform diversity, which seems philosophically gayer?)
@bytex64 indeed it is, and shovel lovers curious about poetry, as well as shovel-curious poetry lovers, will be able to answer. ;) which is exactly my point
@nina_kali_nina I did not expect this. Does that mean it's straight, or is everyone gay? 😅
@nina_kali_nina Super curious how your experience goes. I've gotten BSD-curious in the past and these were the two I settled on as what I might want to use.
But then, you know, learning a new system and everything. I just didn't have the spoons for it at the time.
@abmurrow I have an OpenBSD on my $50 Chromebook and it's pretty nice. But I'm a bit conflicted on their apolitical-ness stance. NetBSD in this aspect seems to be far more political
@nina_kali_nina @nuttx, kolibrios, @redox - plenty of choices to try after BSD flavors 🙂
@nina_kali_nina that's more than fair.
I misunderstood the use case - messing about vs daily driving it
@nina_kali_nina NETBSD works on the Wii and (I think) Amiga. Seems pretty gay to me (also pretty Gary, as my phone insisted)
@nina_kali_nina plan9 is downright homosexual
@zvava that IS true but I feel like I'm a bit too old to learn a non-Unix. Last time I tried to use it I couldn't imagine daily drive it
@nina_kali_nina
Cray CSOS is fairly unixy, but most importantly its hardware is Gayllium Arsenide based.
@zvava
@nina_kali_nina trans rights. :3
@netbsd @nina_kali_nina Absolutely based. That's a follow and a boost upwards in the list of OSes I like.
@mrmasterkeyboard @nina_kali_nina Don't know if I'd go as far as calling it based, it's a fairly basic stance. We have trans developers. They shouldn't suffer.
@netbsd @nina_kali_nina Yeah, I agree that it should be a default that trans people be respected and given their rights everywhere.
But it seems like some specific people, orgs, groups, governments, etc don't seem to want to do that... so it's really nice to see NetBSD not do what they do and instead publicly support our fellow trans peeps!
@nina_kali_nina it might be a struggle in some ways but I think you would have a good time with NetBSD
@nina_kali_nina @libreleah i know you have dome thoughts on this >.>
@lucy @nina_kali_nina does netbsd have librewolf?
EDIT: someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@libreleah @nina_kali_nina hmmm i dont think so?
@lucy @nina_kali_nina then i'm installing netbsd.
EDIT: someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@lucy @nina_kali_nina i already ported librewolf to openbsd. and freebsd already had it, added by someone else. netbsd doesn't have it, so now i want to add it there.
EDIT: someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@lucy @nina_kali_nina but i recommend openbsd by default. openbsd is the best IMO, for nearly every use-case scenario.
@lucy @nina_kali_nina btw https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/
EDIT:
someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@libreleah @lucy tbh I was planning to do it myself. It's not like these OSes have all the stuff that I need just yet, anyways. I hit a bit of a blocker with one sound thing in OpenBSD so I'm curious to see if it'll be as difficult to do in NetBSD or easier. Anyhow, I gotta try them all.
@libreleah @lucy @nina_kali_nina librewolf is in pkgsrc-wip. It’s a start, at least.
@AnachronistJohn @lucy @nina_kali_nina ah, then i will discontinue my curnent effort. i literally have a nearly complete librewolf port. but i will just delete it. cheers.
@libreleah @AnachronistJohn @lucy it might not be a bad idea to sync with the maintainer, at the very least? It's not clear who is doing that from the website, though...
@nina_kali_nina @libreleah @lucy I agree with Nina. Perhaps you’ve fixed more things, or in better ways than whoever originally did the pkgsrc work.
@AnachronistJohn @lucy @nina_kali_nina i'll think about it. got other stuff. i did notice that the netbsd effort still has some firefox things in it. but it's their work. let them get on with it.
still, despite all that, i stuck with it for about five years. not sure why I didn't switch to #gshock sooner :)
Switched to a cheap #CASIO 7 years ago because I got tired of needing reading glasses to use my watch. 😂
@hi have you heard about pebble watches?
Anyone know what circuit board this easter egg is from, and who made it? I'm trying to find a source to attribute.
Not the quote itself, I know that's from System Shock. I mean the board that had this printed on it. Looking at reverse image search, it's one of those meme images that's been around for ever and has gone through the social media human centipede so many times that the source is just "idk internet engagement farming bots".
I'm hoping the six degrees of separation thing works out, and someone recognizes the board and can tell me who to credit.
EDIT: solved in thread! It's an ACA1221ec accelerator card for the Amiga 1200, https://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1221ec and board pic at https://www.ppa.pl/graffiti/obrazek/4095/look-at-you-hacker . From the overview board pics, this is an easter egg that's hidden under the PLCC carrier socket for the accelerator's CPU, to see it you'd have to remove the CPU (and possibly the socket? But I think the intended socket has a hole in the center) in pursuit of some kind of righteous mischief.
Thank you fedi!
@danderson it's not the Open Book Project, which also features some extensive annotations on the silkscreen layer.
@danderson looks like it's this amiga 1200 accelerator board https://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1221ec
@danderson
Looking at C41 and C51 though something looks a little off, they look kind of sawn-off on the north side, and looks like the solder pad shorts across the south.
@danderson 1) might be late, 2) didn't read other commets just yet; i am not sure if it's the original source, but sounds a bit like system shock video game?
The text reminds of Peter Sinfield's lyrics:
But I gave you life!
WHAT ELSE COULD YOU DO?
To do what was right!
I'M PERFECT! ARE YOU?
(Emerson, Lake and Palmer,
Karn Evil 9, 3rd impression;
1973).
I had wondered about that, too, and hit the same wall of reposts. Glad to see someone figured it out
@hi gshock has a flashlight?
A Libreboot contributor added ThinkPad X280 support to Libreboot a while ago, but I never got round to setting up mine until today. No idea wtf I did wrong when *I* tried adding it, but hey, it works.
Thank you "AlguienSasaki" for adding it, and thank you Johann C. Rode for porting this wonderful ThinkPad to coreboot!
And I installed OpenBSD on mine. Because of course I did. Why the hell would I *not* install OpenBSD on every computer that I own? OpenBSD is the best thing since the telephone.
@libreleah was wondering… does replacing Lenovo BIOS with coreboot prevent some of the hardware to work or be recognised by an OS without modification? Or is this a drop-in replacement without blobs?
@joel no, everything still works just fine. linux/bsd will work nicely. no modification required.
i'm new to coreboot/liberboot. do i understand correctly libreboot is not compatible with modern thinkpads like t14 gen 3 (intel core i5 1245u)? and only works with older thinkpads?
@libreleah Huh. I once tried to put OpenBSD on a laptop (I can't remember if it was a thinkpad or a macbook) and the install went fine but I was never able to config a full GUI environment. I was repeatedly warned that daily driving OpenBSD in this way was not recommended. But I wanted to learn about BSD so I tried it (and failed). Maybe I will give it another shot. Thanks for the inspiration!
@jamesvasile @libreleah I hope whoever told you not to daily drive OpenBSD on a laptop is not still giving out advice, because that's absolutely garbage advice.
OpenBSD is really, really good on Thinkpads, older Intel Macbooks (pre T2 era), and pretty much any standard Intel or AMD PC. Their fork of Xorg (Xenocara) is in the base installation and out of the box the only thing you have to do to get an X desktop is answer "yes" to the question in installation asking if you want one, or if you answered "no" during installation you can (as root) "rcctl enable xenodm" and reboot.
OpenBSD is really good on the desktop because its developers run it as their workstations, i.e. they "dogfood" the OS so that they are able to see what is needed for all use cases and improve the OS accordingly.
If you'd like to follow a guide to setting up an Xfce desktop on OpenBSD, I wrote one a while back: https://www.kaidenshi.com/posts/openbsd-as-a-daily-driver/
...and there are other guides out there as well.
@kaidenshi @jamesvasile i can rickroll myself in 4k and use bittorrent. all my use cases are covered in openbsd.
this is me rickrolling myself at 4k in openbsd. i only have a 1080p screen, but the yt video is set to 4k. and this is openbsd, running on my librebooted x280. librewolf running in openbsd, running on libreboot, running on x280. yes.
i wanted to make sure my port compiled on at least one other machine than my main obsd dev machine. *now* i'm happy to submit this to the openbsd ports mailing list for review. yes. yes. yes.
@libreleah it also compiled on at least another one laptop - although this was the 7.8-stable branch ;-)
I have important news: my LibreWolf port for OpenBSD now *works perfectly*!
See: https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port
Latest patch: https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/commit/b66909dff671dfae9350b3db84c60b0a32cff9e9
I compiled the master branch on OpenBSD -current (7.9 snapshot).
I rewrote the port again, this time making only the most surgical changes relative to www/mozilla-firefox.
LibreWolf uses mozconfig, so OpenBSD CONFIGURE_ARGS has no effect; I provide a patched mozconfig at build time.
*Everything works*. I rocked out to some tunes, and read some news.
Just doing some minor polishing, ready for submission to openbsd ports team.
They're already in release mode, so who knows if this will land before OpenBSD 7.9. I hope I can get it in the release.
LibreWolf is similar enough to FireFox, and my port is conservatively-enough engineered relative to www/mozilla-firefox that it fits well into their infrastructure, with little friction. For all intents and purposes, it is essentially the same browser as FireFox, just without the enshittification.
My port is ready for submission; I will soon submit my port to the OpenBSD Ports Team for review.
This branch shows what I will send:
https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/src/branch/submit1
Branch name labelled submit1, because I anticipate that they may ask for a few changes. So the expected 2nd draft would be sent to submit2, and then submit3, and so on.
Yes. With any luck, they *might* merge my patch for 7.9 - my changes, relative to www/mozilla-firefox, are quite conservative and done in the most surgical way possible.
@libreleah thanks for the port successfully tested on 7.9-beta!
@fcbsd i just woke up from my nap, having had a wonderful dream. and your screenshot is better than said dream. thank you.
@libreleah very nice. You plan to submit this to the official ports tree? I would love to give a package a try
Mom is retiring. Says she wants to learn to program. #uxn here we come! All mainstream platforms suck!
She's into weaving, so I've decided we're gonna do a game of life simulation and then she can use it as a weaving pattern. Nice to find something practical to work towards rather than endless theory.
There is no airflow whatsoever inside the ROLM militarized version of the DG Nova, so the IC's and other components straddle metal bars that conduct heat to the edge of the board, and from there to outside the chassis.
Testing out a fun experiment of running a variation of my existing website locally.
What's cool about it?
- Served off a Raspberry Pi Zero 1.3
- Running entirely in RAM (thanks Alpine!)
- Web server -> darkhttpd
- Has a tiny ~$4/year VPS in front of it handling the TLS termination
I'm sure things will explode if too many visitors slammed the poor little Pi, but I think regular traffic would be completely fine ;)
If interested: https://zero.btxx.org
PS. sorry if it falls over!
@bt that's something very cool! Can you please elaborate on the necessity of VPS for it?
@alexeystar You don’t actually need it - I just didn’t want to put more strain on the limited Pi. It also hides the ISP IP (which isn’t a big deal)
@bt I think I got the idea, thanks. What's the power consumption? Do you think it could run solely on solar power?
@bt Nice job, Bradley! 👀 How are Internet users able to access your local device (I'm curious how external users are able to connect to your local IP address - domain name resolution, etc.)? Is it possible to point an offsite VPS to your own local server device to serve up Web pages? If so, this seems like a very inexpensive way to connect the Internet to a personal Web server. 👍 I might have to look into that 5G cellular router / access point / hotspot T-Mobile keeps marketing to me 😄
"Is it possible to point an offsite VPS to your own local server device to serve up Web pages?"
^ This is exactly what I'm doing! I'm testing things out and planning to switch my main website over completely (if everything goes well). Then I'll write up a detailed post so others can replicate it 👍
@bt Thanks for the quick reply, and good luck setting everything up! 🤞 I look forward to reading your future post ✌😄
@bt nice project, loads fine fo me. where did you get that $4 vps
Tierhive: https://tierhive.com/
Still in alpha, so be careful with “important” services. Been awesome for me so far.
@bt works great. Also really like the design of your site. I'm building a site with a similar style myself at the moment.
@bt I've been using the "tiny VPS for TLS termination" and wireguard with all my homelab-hosted services (incl. this Mastodon instance) for a couple years now and it's amazing, definitely beats dealing with DynDNS or fighting for a static IP at the provider level (that can change whenever you move etc.).
I've been long thinking about implementing firewalling/caching and other mitigations to stop the VPS DoSing my home internet in case of overwhelming load or a DDoS attack, and it's totally doable ...if you can find the time to set it up.
@bt homelab! Nice. Didn’t know pi zero was enough to host a site. I’m running two hp elite/pro desk for my personal site. Maybe I need to down scale.
There were some small disturbances over the last 48 hours. Following the upgrade to #OpenBSD 7.8 our VM host server was hit by a vio interrupt handling issue in vmd which caused lots of error messages getting logged which filled up the /var partition which somehow killed httpd and we were left with a half-working system.
This cascade of bugs has been addressed at the root now. We are running a patched vmd to solve the vio interrupt problem and it seems the issue can no longer be triggered. Many thanks to Dave Voutila for looking into the problem for us and providing a fix we could test.
We can now go back to being boring and stable as usual.
When you read about Bans of Social Media for Teens and Age Verification, you must remember what it truly means:
• Official identification of every adult using social media.
• Deanonymization of every account, endangering groups that often rely on pseudonymity for safety, such as victims of domestic violence, victims of stalkers, people of color, and LGBTQ+ people.
• Putting every adult at great danger of exploitation, fraud, and identity theft by forcing them to share their official ID with a for-profit third-party company with no incentive to protect it. Breaches have already happened.
• Constructing a system of mass surveillance to attach every comment on social media to a legal identity. Effectively allowing authoritarian governments to silence their critics and opposition.
• Potential for dystopian censorship and cutting off means of organization for groups of resistance to oppressive regime and organizations.
• Endangering children online by putting a clear identification beacon over every child or family with children online.
• Endangering the data of children who will inevitably try to pass as adults, and have their information collected by the third-party for-profit company.
• Diminishing the value of official identification due to the inevitable data breaches, eventually pushing the system to require even more intrusive identification techniques, such as iris scans and fingerprints.
• Installing a system of mass surveillance capable of attaching even more information to everyone's legal identity. With a potential to built list of people in certain groups, and scale-up state censorship and discrimination in unprecedented ways.
• The list goes on and on.
This isn't about protecting the children.
It never was.
Do not be duped by this excuse used to convince you to let go of your human rights. They are only trying to manipulate people lacking information.
Stay informed on the issues related to Age Verification, and push back for your rights to privacy and democracy.
The future depends on us.
#AgeVerification #Privacy #HumanRights #MassSurveillance #Authoritarianism
Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
I have been using email for 40 years. It used to work.
As an (independent) academic researcher, I need to contact new people, primarily in universities, to ask questions.
I refuse to use Google, Microsoft or the other American IT giants.
But they are increasingly preventing refuseniks from sending email at all.
I know what RFC, DNS, MX, SPF and DMARC mean. My email goes through small British companies with intelligent, friendly and helpful staff.
mxtoolbox.com says that I must have DMARC to send email to M$. So I set it up. I now get a dozen copies of the same report from G or M$ for each email that I send out.
They show that my email gets to G and M$ sites, but then it is marked as spam.
The stupid senior management of numerous universities has surrendered their staff email to M$.
Web searches and AIs preach about spam. I don't send spam - I want to contact my colleagues.
Rumour has it that previously unknown senders are treated with suspicion and their emails are sent to spam. In other words, it is impossible to **initiate** communication with someone.
Let's be blunt about this. They are a mafia that is enforcing an **oligopoly**. It's got nothing to do with reducing spam --- I have no doubt that they let through emails from "trusted partners", ie companies that bribe them enough to send their spam.
The result of this is that it will only be possible to send emails by paying M$ to do it, and then it will only be allowed to express "approved" opinions.
What can we do about this?
At the very least, those of you with senior positions in universities can tell your management to revert to competent standards-based email systems hosted on Linux systems.
@Paul_Taylor At a "University" I refused to use their M$ "e-mail system" as it failed to be a bonā fidē e-mail system. My supervisor agreed with me that it was not an e-mail system as it did not operate using standard protocols. IIUC, M$ had an exclusivity clause that prevented any other e-mail system from operating within their TLD that did not already predate the contract with M$. Thus there was nothing to be done: use it or else!
@dgb37 @Paul_Taylor they didn't even allow #IMAP & #SMTP?
WTF??
Not sure how similar it is, but I've had issues with $DAYJOB for the last couple years where, while I can use IMAP/SMTP in _theory_, because they use OAUTH2 which seems to send a client-ID in the request, I can't connect in practice because they refuse to approve any client-IDs that aren't Outlook. 🤬
@gumnos @dgb37 @Paul_Taylor So you gotta have to use commercial addons like #Owl for @thunderbird …
Yeah, in this case I use mutt(1) and there are OAUTH2 modules to get it connected in theory, but without the corporate-approved app-ID, it's a non-starter. 😑
@gumnos @dgb37 @Paul_Taylor @thunderbird and I guess you can't just fake "Microsoft Outlook" as "App-ID" because they've to manually add any App...
@gumnos @kkarhan @dgb37 @Paul_Taylor @thunderbird
I've been having success with Evolution in the exact same circumstances. But I have not found any other solution that let me spoof the client-ID and UA of "Outlook" to an extent that convinces Microslop to accept my client with those restrictions.
@joel you can also install Pihole
@unknown231 why using Linux when you can do without?
Still, I wasn’t aware that Pihole provided active/active DHCP server.
@jimfl that article is so on point, I tried to buy a new backpack before having to make it, and there's just nothing out there. It's wild.
It's really nice to know that we can buy parts compatible with a 45 years old furler.
This is a new fitting connected to the original socket, I realize that thread sizes have standardized a long time ago, but still, aren't we fortunate to live in such a world that these don't change every 5 years..
@neauoire I feel this so much, when standards mean something will actually be there for a long time. I love to be able to use my grandpa's tools to fix things around the house and to go to a hardware shop to get what I need with just a quick measurement. I miss with engineering meant something, meant accountability and planning. A nice reminder that we collectively did this and how much work we have ahead of us.
update regarding my librewolf openbsd port: everything i said earlier about mozilla's allocator is a load of bollocks. firefox is the same code (where the allocator is concerned. librewolf doesn't touch it) and builds perfectly without patching, and runs perfectly.
rather than fix my cursed port, i'm just doing it from scratch, properly this time - no removing www/mozilla. i'll just make it piggyback off of www/mozilla, like other moz projects in obsd.
eg. www/tor-browser also uses www/mozilla
and i know this because i built www/mozilla-firefox myself. and ran it. and lamented for a while.
my port is broken. firefox's allocator is fine.
No! It wasn't bollocks! Or maybe it was. Idk
I re-did my port locally, only modifying www/mozilla-firefox in the least invasive way possible, without replacing/rewriting www/mozilla submodule.
Still the same malloc-related build errors on LibreWolf - BUT FIREFOX BUILDS AND WORKS FINE.
So now I'm analysing the code differences between LibreWolf 149.0.2 and FireFox 149.0.2 in unhinged detail. I now believe it may be a modification LibreWolf has done since v143, that breaks the build on OpenBSD.
I downloaded the src tarball of firefox 149.0.2 and did git init / git add -A . / git commit -m test, inside it.
then i extracted librewolf 149.0.2 tarball and moved the .git from my firefox directory into it, and did: git add -A . , then git commit -m change
now i have all the changes librewolf made, in bulk. i'm analysing those changes. i will find the smoking gun somewhere in this massive diff.
there is librewolf source.git, with its own build system and patching. but i'll check tarballs.
i may have found it
+# allow replacing malloc manually, will not affect regular systems
+# not compatible with ac_add_options --disable-jemalloc, which only works when preloading custom malloc
+ac_add_options --enable-replace-malloc
+ac_add_options --enable-jemalloc
librewolf 149 enables these options, but 143 didn't. this is from lw/mozconfig.new, which doesn't exist in firefox.
so earlier, i may have been correct, not wrong. gonna patch lw/mozconfig.new to remove this, and re-test building.
in other words: I said it was bollocks, but it probably wasn't. there *is* an incompatibility with mozilla's custom allocator, on openbsd, but www/mozilla-firefox isn't using it. www/librewolf is! because librewolf is awesome, and cares about its linux users, so wants to give them a 0.5% performance increase. yes.
yes.
yes
librewolf 143's lw/mozconfig.new doesn't have --enable-replace-malloc and --enable-jemalloc in it. but that same file *does* have these, in librewolf 149.
ALSO FUN FACT:
in that same file, lw/mozconfig.new, librewolf is enabling a bunch of hardening options that openbsd *also enables* on www/mozilla-firefox, but they seem to be entirely redundant on the openbsd port. i can remove most of the extra autoconf options in www/librewolf since librewolf is already applying them!
yes
+ac_add_options --enable-application=browser
+
+ac_add_options --allow-addon-sideload
+ac_add_options --disable-crashreporter
+ac_add_options --disable-debug
+ac_add_options --disable-default-browser-agent
+ac_add_options --disable-tests
+ac_add_options --disable-updater
+ac_add_options --disable-cargo-incremental
+ac_add_options --enable-hardening
+ac_add_options --enable-stl-hardening
+ac_add_options --enable-optimize
+ac_add_options --enable-release
+ac_add_options --enable-rust-simd
but the actual place to patch is mozconfig (file) in the root of the extracted tarball directory
i... couldn't find this in git grep earlier, because of .gitignore. so i found it manually. librewolf's build system was still adding the malloc-replace options. it should work now.
this is literally the only problem with the librewolf port. needing to disable mozjemalloc. then it should work.
FUN FACT: i hate mozilla.
absolutely bird-brained build system. gnu autotools, plus mozilla = pain
i feel like the french guy in the matrix, when he just keeps saying "ass of shit, motherfucker, piece of shit" and so on, repeatedly, in french (that's what he's saying to neo when he says he loves the french language because of how cursing with it is like, and i quote, "rubbing your ass in silk")
Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère, firefox.
yes.
Adding configure options from /home/leah/portdev/ports-pobj/librewolf-149.0.2/librewolf-149.0.2-2/mozconfig
--enable-application=browser
--allow-addon-sideload
--disable-crashreporter
--disable-debug
--disable-default-browser-agent
--disable-tests
--disable-updater
--disable-cargo-incremental
--enable-hardening
--enable-stl-hardening
--enable-optimize
--enable-release
--enable-rust-simd
--with-app-name=librewolf
^ no --enable-replace-malloc or --enable-jemalloc
yay
because librewofl uses a mozconfig, the cli-based configure options in www/mozilla-firefox are useless for librewolf.
but i can't just patch mozconfig, because variables like e.g. $PREFIX are used by openbsd ports.
what i have to do then: put a custom mozconfig is files/
have e.g. @PREFIX@ in there, and sed search/replace with the variable
do this in pre-configure, in the Makefile. that's my next job.
yes. i *will* tame this ungodly build system.
there is a lot of overlap. openbsd's firefox port already adds a bunch of hardened autoconf (./configure) options, that librewolf also does. librewolf and openbsd are two peas in a pod.
it baffles me that nobody tried porting librewolf before i did. i mean, someone did, but i'm unsure if they sent it to openbsd. they simply maintained a package repo themselves, but stopped after obsd 7.1
i couldn't find their sources anymore, so i started from scratch, with my own fresh librewolf port.
Wow. Nice! 🙂🖖
I do need to try one of the BSD's one day.
Which one would be better for someone unfamiliar with this OS? 🙂
@simonzerafa all the BSDs are great, but openbsd is my favourite one, because it's the easiest one to use in my opinion. they simplify a lot of of options and remove a lot of knobs, and they just make everything as generally efficient as possible. i don't want to have to think about my operating system, i just want everything important to already be done for me - especially security-related things, which openbsd excels at.
openbsd has some limitations that do not concern *me* personally. ymmv.
@simonzerafa GhostBSD uses xlibre, which is maintained by someone who doesn't know how the bitshift operator works in C, or how it differs to XOR, so no, i wouldn't use ghostBSD at all.
Oh, dear. Well I did learn that in entry Computer Science classes in 1984 so seems best avoided then 😕
@simonzerafa also xlibre is maintained by neo-nazis (they repeatedly say racist shit on their github, and xlibre's maintainer literally posted on the devuan mailing list expressing support for nazis in 2018).
so even if xlibre was maintained by technically literate people, which it isn't, they're also nazis. so even then, i still wouldn't use GhostBSD
xlibre is a fork of xorg btw. i initially got excited about the prospect when it first came out, until i learned that they're all neo-nazis.
@simonzerafa @libreleah I'd say OpenBSD is probably the easiest, as it has a simple line-by-line installer and graphic out-of-the-box (either choose "yes" when asked about xenodm(1), or run startx when you log in). However, in my experience, this BSD tended to be a somewhat sluggish at times (they prioritise security over performance, which is fair).
FreeBSD, NetBSD, and DragonFly BSD are a little more complex, but if you're familiar with setting up a system mostly from scratch you should be fine.
However, bear in mind that FreeBSD has been recently accepting AI-generated patches.
MidnightBSD is a little odd. Some of the features are neat, but there are a few that seem a little strange to me. They also added age declaration, which doesn't sit well with me.
HardenedBSD is quite good. Basically just FreeBSD with additional security hardening (e.g. PaX); but the installation can be hit-or-miss, in my experience, and those AI-generated patches from upstream will be present.
Ultimately I would need an OS that does basic productivity tasks without being Windows.
Currently working with CachyOS Linux which seems like it will do the trick, once I've worked out why the 1 TByte SSD boot drive seems constantly full 🤣
@simonzerafa @470m i find that openbsd does basically everything i need. it has limitations eg:
* no multilib (think: no wine, and old proprietary games on steam)
* no journaling/cow in its filesystem. fsck like its 2005 - i/o heavy operations that rely on cache for speed, will falter on obsd. not too bad though.
* actually good wifi support, but not as great as linux
* wayland not stable yet - but meh, xorg/xenocara is fine.
* NO bluetooth support (at all)
other minor stuff. like i said, ymmv
@simonzerafa @470m it also doesn't have as many hardware hacks as linux. like, my KVM switch for example, aggressively fakes the EDID for compatibility, and openbsd only detects that i can have 1080p. i have to set a custom modeline in xorg to get 1440p, then it works. no big deal, but linux auto-detects 1440p just fine (it pokes real EDID aggressively)
on my system (dell optiplex 9020 sff with libreboot), hdmi audio doesn't work at all in openbsd. works fine on linux.
like i said
YMMV!!!!!!!
@simonzerafa @470m yeah and like, for the big stuff, openbsd is actually pretty good. AVOID nvidia graphics cards with openbsd, they are NEVER going to work (unless someone ports nvk/nouveau).
it has excellent ports of the amd and intel video drivers from linux. happy days. idk, the nvidia situation might improve perhaps?
openbsd has pretty amazing support for the typical hardware you'd use... but then you find that lots of super random peripherals don't work (at all).
your mileage may vary!!
@simonzerafa @470m the SOLUTION, for a happy life and a good mental health, is to do what i do:
only use ten year old junk. then openbsd will work perfectly at all times.
@simonzerafa @470m yeah but like, my DragonFly Red USB DAC works perfectly. so i can bang out tunes on my nice AKG headphones
but...... openbsd sndio either has weak buffering or no buffering, because when my system is under heavy load, audio starts to sound like a murderous robot from a bad 1960s movie.
i can tweak that (would increase latency), but meh.
lots and lots of rough edges that linux / other BSDs probably smooth over, aren't done in openbsd. you must tweak it. but i daily drive it.
@simonzerafa @470m openbsd is also extremely conservative about things you take for granted on e.g. linux
for example: in /etc/login.conf you will find very austere limits on memory, file descriptors, etc. i don't remember exactly what it was, but i think it was something like 1GB or something, for a program/user. i had to tweak memory / file descriptor limits, to use all of my RAM, and open more than... 128 files at a time or whatever it was.
(otherwise my librewolf builds just fail horribly)
@simonzerafa @470m this makes sense. if you have a runaway process that starts using lots and lots of memory and opening lots and lots of files, you don't want it to bring down your entire system right?
on linux, stuff like that will ruin your day. openbsd gives you sanity by default. but yeah. if you want to allocate 8GB of memory in your program, openbsd is not going to let you do that at all, by default :)
@simonzerafa @470m fortunately, openbsd has the best documentation. actually understandable manpages, and an excellent FAQ section. you can learn everything about it without searching on google. they document everything *well*, better than any other system i've ever used.
but yeah, openbsd isn't linux. if you've got a linux brain, you will need re-education before you can comfortably use openbsd in production.
always remember to read the manuals, carefully. openbsd expects you to read manuals.
@simonzerafa @470m and i now wish to be ten thousand percent clear:
i am not saying these things to criticise openbsd. these things are *why* i like openbsd. linux distros make a million assumptions about you and take you for a ride. i regard the linux model of open source as akin to being dragged along a dirt road. linux users don't notice it until they use a bsd. and bsd seems hard at first.
but then you read the manuals. and then you learn how your system works. you become a better person.
@libreleah been there, done that. It used to be even worse! http://highlandsun.com/hyc/#mozilla
Just posting to say "I know your pain". Wrestling with disabling jemalloc so I could do proper memory leak detection, shudder.
Good luck...
@libreleah FVIW 144 builds here. Things start to change with 145 - had an ˋnss` error, build has been restarted.
@libreleah all signs point to maybe i should try dailying openBSD, especially if it gets librewolf support...
@hi as an email?!
but in this case i just don't need that metal plate at all.
#OpenBSD 7.9 coming soon... And it is going to be one heck of a release.
If you want to tinker with it already, go -current.
@h3artbl33d I'm looking forward for 7.9. But officially I'am getting old now. 7.9 seems to be the 60th release... The first release I have used was 2.5 - the sixth release...
For *BSD fans, I wish to understand something that truly bothers me.
You are a fan of one or more BSD os. Is that BSD (doesn't matter which one) your daily driver, your primary OS on your main computer?
#BSD #FreeBSD #OpenBSD #NetBSD
| Actually, my main is Mac OS: | 98 |
| Actually, my main is Linux: | 191 |
| Actually, my main is Windows: | 13 |
| Indeed it is! My primary OS is BSD (reply below): | 139 |
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Daily driver: FreeBSD
Kid's junker laptop: OpenBSD
Writerdeck Netbook: OpenBSD (though sometimes HaikuOS)
iBook G4: OpenBSD
Travel laptop: one each of OpenBSD & FreeBSD
VPS instances: a mix of FreeBSD & OpenBSD
@RussSharek @darth obsd 'twas my daily driver from '99 until Mac OS X was released (and even then I still run it on my appliances and servers and non-Apple hardware, 25+ years now). Best OS on the planet.
do your tablets support tilt and pressure on freebsd?
@darth@silversword.online My main workstation OS is MacOS. I don't see any other OS substituting my Logic Pro X setup.
My main server OS is FreeBSD. Down the road, I plan to pick up a dedicated laptop specifically for running local LLMs.
@daemonhunter thanks! The LLM laptop will be Linux + Nvidia? Or one of those 96GB Ryzen Ai chips?
@darth OpenBSD on main laptop and one server, Linux on a desktop (used when I need/want to do something OpenBSD isn't ideal for – gaming or otherwise using proprietary software) and another server. NetBSD on a second laptop, and there's a Raspberry Pi running Linux hanging around here somewhere.
@darth I have only BSD computers that I use as "daily drivers": A laptop and a tower, both running FreeBSD.
In addition I run NetBSD on every computer I own that can run it, from an old 486slc2 and am Am586 via a Nintendo Wii to a couple of dual Pentium Pro machines. All but the 486slc2 are equipped with full GUI and set up so I can do Real Work(TM) from them.
I have my laptop full of BSD stickers, Once - and there are witnesses - I was in an Irish pub here in Oslo, and one of the waitresses who had walked past our table a few times stopped, looked me in the eyes and asked "Are you running BSD on that thing or are you just bragging with those stickers?"
Turns out she used to be a network engineer in Cambridge.
still did plenty of #lifting: just a different kind. tired, but happy :)
🥴
@mark I would take this as a theme for Ivory.
@kaiserkiwi a lot of people said that, but the amount of work involved and added work when doing updates would be incredible. 😅
I think it's time for some #OpenBSD #79HYPE

After ~21 years, gcc 3.x has left the building, with the last remaining platform (OpenBSD/luna88k) ported to gcc4.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/115425313813361816
Jonathan Gray (jsg@) has updated the drm graphics drivers (inteldrm/radeondrm/amdgpu) in #OpenBSD 7.9 to Linux 6.18.y/6.18.22 from the 6.12.y longterm support version.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/116201960048161449
https://freshbsd.org/openbsd/src?q=drm&committer[]=jsg
OpenBSD now supports "Delayed hibernation" on amd64: After waiting a number of seconds (up to 24 hrs) the machine will wake from S0ix/S3 idle sleep/suspend and hibernate to disk.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/116217813921273057
The OpenBSD kernel gains a new "parking mutex".. inspired by WebKit.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/115503876824188865
A long standing ACPI issue (boot delay) that has plagued several Intel Mac models has been fixed by jcs@
https://bsd.network/@brynet/115602160298028722
OpenBSD's EFI bootloader now supports loading files from the ESP, making it easier to e.g: copy & bootstrap a ramdisk kernel.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/115630978565153559
Improved support for running OpenBSD as a guest VM on Apple Silicon machines under macOS.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/115899206016337373
OpenBSD/amd64 now supports SMP on up to 255 CPUs, such as on AMD Threadripper/EYPC.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/115899248487624689
OpenBSD iwx(4) now supports additional Intel AX211 WiFi 6/6E models, as well as 160MHz channel support!
https://bsd.network/@brynet/116210371257002339
https://bsd.network/@brynet/116319563256899912
Important security refinements to both pledge(2) and unveil(2), fixing several early design issues.
https://bsd.network/@brynet/116136000669207850
https://bsd.network/@brynet/116197240853794609
https://bsd.network/@brynet/116217472157803716
Plus lots more to see in 7.9! Stay tuned!
FUN FACT: i forgot a host's IP address on my LAN
i=1; while ((i < 255)); do ping -c 1 -w 1 192.168.1.$i 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null && echo $i; let i++; done
ksh is more fun. and i only have to wait 254 seconds.
and i still can't find it. oh well.
@libreleah Powered off possible? Check the ARP table on your router?
@RootMoose i'll just physically access the machine and run ifconfig when i get home. no worries.
@RootMoose i probably didn't whitelist the ip i was accessing it from (via remote tunnel on ssh). i do a lot of ip whitelisting, and often leave ssh only listening on a local ip for example (and access via forwarding).
yeah, i'm ssh'd into one machine remotely and wanted to ssh into another, via ssh local forwarding.
@RootMoose follow-up: i did get home, and i was right. the sshd on said machine was listening on a bunch of subnets, but *not that one*. now that's fixed.
#!/bin/sha bit faster
jot 254 1 |
xargs -n1 -P256 sh -c '
ping -c 1 192.168.1.$1 >/dev/null 2>/dev/null &&
echo $1
' sh
Runs faster if you ping in parallel:
https://codeberg.org/rldane/scripts/src/branch/main/ipscan
Requires bash, but could be easily converted to ksh/oksh/mksh/pdksh
Friendly reminder for #OpenBSD -current users, you'll need to use 'pkg_add -Dsnap ...' with upcoming snapshots as the project enters release mode for 7.9.
The -beta tag has been dropped.
The power company finally generated our April bill! This is the first one with solar stuff on it.
So for the 16 billing days of the new setup, we generated more than we used and got a credit of $6.79! 😄
April, though, is the "forfeit" month when they zero out the year's credits so we also then immediately lost our $6.79 credit. 🙁
But the final billed amount for those 16 days was just the (prorated) basic service charge.
Damn near free.
Specifically, the total billed amount for those 16 days was $8.15 due to the prorated service charge minus a "monthly parallel generation cash out" which is some kind of computation of excess generation vs. used power which totaled -$1.23.
So the final bill for 16 days of electricity was exactly $7.00. (after tax)
While it hasn't been too cold lately, that's 16 days running our electric furnace/heat pump too.
So, yeah, damn near free.
@bigzaphod between you and my father I'm loving the daily updates from Solar Panel Dads™️ both online and offline. Looking forward to seeing if you also react to a cloudy day like you've lost everything day trading.
@broaders oh yeah.. I already yell at the clouds lol: https://mastodon.social/@bigzaphod/116347348189283988
@bigzaphod so how many years until you pay off the installation?
@Eggfreckles realistically it's probably like 15 years to actual break even. Panel life is supposed to be 30+.
@bigzaphod I’ll be very interested in how the savings on the energy usage bills compare to the financing payments for the solar (assuming financing). This isn’t sarcasm — I’m really interested as I build my own case for solar in my head.
Not asking for private exact numbers, just an idea if the saving on energy bills is more than the montly solar payment, less, roughly the same, what your projections show for an annual avg [I just know you’ve crunched the numbers! 😂], etc.
@leoncowle yeah, still remains to be seen if this works out for a whole year. And of course loads of this is climate-dependent, or like.. house/roof-dependent (size, shape, orientation).
We refinanced the mortgage to do this, so it was effectively paid with equity. Mortgage payment didn't even change. So the whole thing feels almost.... "free." It's wild.
So far so good, anyway.
@bigzaphod@mastodon.social ... sorry, the "forfeit month"? where they just... take away all the credits?? what???
@aud it's a state law. I believe it's a pretty common one. My guess is that it's actually to prevent businesses from becoming banks, essentially, or running never-ending lines of credit or something like that. So once a year they have to clear the books either by paying you back in cash or just... nulling it out. The power company's deal is they null it out. So when getting something like solar, gotta take that into account - if you generate *too* much power they'll just... keep it for free.
@bigzaphod are you going to try time of use tariffs?
@kevm no I imagine I’d need batteries to play that game.
@bigzaphod gotcha. Sounds like you have a heck of a system and will overproduce a lot during the summer.
@bigzaphod does your provider let you net meter over the month or whole year?
@kevm credit for over-production accumulates over the year, but unfortunately it resets in April (state law here). Summer's over-production should hopefully cover winter's electric heat (or most of it anyway). It was intentionally over-sized by some amount because we installed electric heat at the same time but that meant we kinda had to guess on energy usage so remains to be seen if we'll have enough summer excess to cover winter or how that'll go.
@bigzaphod that works better for you than what I have which is month to month net metering. Winter is (WI) here is rough for solar.
@kevm so you can only carry over power for one month at a time? That's unfortunate.
@bigzaphod yes. Makes batteries very important. Most utilities are moving towards this model. Enjoy yours.
@kevm some of this is enshrined into law in Iowa right now. Obviously it could change, but it was just enacted maybe 5 years ago as I understand it. Hopefully it'll remain reasonably stable for a while.
OK So I have discovered that I do not need seatd started at all. @vlkrs@bsd.network and this post helped.
https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/1hp0pcd/wayland_works_as_root_but_no_keyboard_response_as/
Basically I just needed to add "/dev/wsmouse1" and "/dev/wskbd1" to /etc/fbtab.
OK #OpenBSD friends, Why when I install Sway or Mango ( #Wayland ) can I not get any keyboard control ? I can run them fine on #FreeBSD but on OpenBSD they both start but the keyboard does nothing on the mouse seems to work on waybar. I'm using known working configs for both.
I do see errors like permission denied for /dev/wskb* . I'm at a loss as I'm sure I had sway running last year ??
Even copied the startsway.sh and modified for mango but still no keyboard ???
Please boost for a larger reach. ❤️
@vlkrs@bsd.network Are you able to assist at all ? TIA
@justine I wish I could help but I've never messed with Wayland on OpenBSD. Maybe something to do with XDG_RUNTIME_DIR environment variable not being set? I recall having to do something with that when trying a Wayland compositor on Void a while back. I know Wayland has a lot of Linux-specific stuff like that baked in and it's a struggle getting it to work on the BSDs.
For all of its complexity, Xorg/xenocara sure seems simpler to me.
@justine I was about to edit my comment to mention seatd and I saw your edit about it. I remembered having to mess with seats on Void as well.
pfsync(4) Packet Header Field Renamed to Avoid AI Bug Report Noise https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260413055845 #openbsd #pfsync #networking #redundancy #carp #pf #packetfilter #development #libresoftware #freesoftware
@hi for music definitely symfonium, in combination with self-hosted subsonic it's awesome
for video i use VLC and photos just the stock gallery app, nothing fancy there
@hi
I've enjoyed having switched from #GooglePhotos to #ente recently - there's a couple of things to get used to, but overall I like it. My main goal with it is photo backup, and being able to search photos by content ("mum", or "pasta recipe").
For music and video I use #VLC (but #Voice for audiobooks, and #AntennaPod for podcasts).
so far i've moved floor heating, hot water, and car charging entirely to solar (see chart and its alt text).
not sure there is much left to cut: especially with always-on systems like ventilation and my local network
@hi yeah at this point you just need to run the numbers on battery storage & installation/cabling/etc.
Modern lithium cells are rated for over 8000 cycles (that is, they retain over 80% capacity AFTER so many cycles) so daily cycling when charged from solar excess and running at night will still mean they should last you well over ten years.
Even a tiny, simple, easy-to-install system can make a huge difference on a 10-year timeframe: my homeserver, network etc. uses roughly 1kWh in a day, it's hooked up to an Ecoflow River 3 Plus acting as a UPS. If you can power & charge that from your existing solar excess (planning to add some balcony solar) that will recover your investment in 5 years or less (costs 260 EUR, assuming 0.13c/kWh average electricity price over 2000 days to ROI)
https://www.hind.ee/p/kaasaskantav-akujaam-ecoflow-river-3-plus-286-wh-600-w-must/
@hi yeah at this point you just need to run the numbers on battery storage & installation/cabling/etc.
Modern lithium cells are rated for over 8000 cycles (that is, they retain over 80% capacity AFTER so many cycles) so daily cycling when charged from solar excess and running at night will still mean they should last you well over ten years.
Even a tiny, simple, easy-to-install system can make a huge difference on a 10-year timeframe: my homeserver, network etc. uses roughly 1kWh in a day, it's hooked up to an Ecoflow River 3 Plus acting as a UPS. If you can power & charge that from your existing solar excess (planning to add some balcony solar) that will recover your investment in 5 years or less (costs 260 EUR, assuming 0.13c/kWh average electricity price over 2000 days to ROI)
https://www.hind.ee/p/kaasaskantav-akujaam-ecoflow-river-3-plus-286-wh-600-w-must/
\o/
hope to achieve a net-positive year in kwh (not financially, winters are dark and cold here)
@hi it looks like morro rock
@hi Large parts of Europe trade energy on Nordpool.
There's different sectors, e.g. Denmark is divided into two different sectors.
This setup partially solves this "storage" problem. When the sun is shining (daylight, summer) and wind is blowing (spring/autumn) in Denmark we produce and export power to especially Norway and Sweden, where we have the largest links.
As a result of this, they can turn off their hydro-electric plants and store the energy (as water).
At night-time and during winter, the Swedes and Norwegians let the water flow and generates hydroelectric power, that is then sent to Denmark lacking solar and wind power.
At the Danish Energinet website you can (scroll down a bit) see the actual flow of power in real-time: https://en.energinet.dk/
More local solutions for the problem exists as well under the term https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity.
Not easily done on ones own property, though 😃
Orbán is speaking. He accepts defeat and has already congratulated Magyar Péter.
TISZA currently stands to take a ⅔ majority in the parliament (largely thanks to changes to the elections system made by FIDESZ in the past decade).
Phew.
@flaki OK, but how much better actually is Magyar? What I've heard through the press is that he's ex-Fidesz, so presumably fascist-adjacent.
Is this simply a matter of the financial backers of fascism in Hungary switching to another candidate they believe will be more pliable and less corrupt, or is Magyar genuinely his own man?
And for whom is he better? Better for Hungary? For the EU? For Ukraine?
@simon_brooke in short? We don't know, we will have to see how (or if?) Tisza's rule will be any different, and especially if they do get a 2/3 majority.
But that they are "the same" is pure misinfo, yes they are both right, but based on *promises* alone Magyar is claiming to build a much more restrained governance.
I haven't heard any claims of fascism-adjacency with regard to Tisza or Magyar, if you have any sources to share I'd love to see them.
@flaki Sorry, just my prejudice. I thought that as Fidesz is (I believe) a fascist-ajacent party, then Magyar, as an ex-Fidesz MP, must be also.
@simon_brooke Magyar will be certainly more EU-friendly than Orbán was. I expect that this will lead to better Ukraine relations also. Tisza has generally led a very progressive campaign — which is hard given that they had to balance constant attacks from the government and needed to convince the voter base brainwashed by 16 years of Fidesz rule, but also easy because the Fidesz spent enough time demonizing LGBTQ communities and centralizing its limitless authoritarian rule that isn't too hard to improve on.
So far a lot of the Tisza party and the newly elected is centered around working people and experts which is a breath of fresh air after the centralized corrupt rule of Fidesz.
I'm hopeful, we will see how it goes!
@flaki Yay! Even following the numbers closely, I was still nervous that after 16 years in power he won't just accept it and would try to do something nasty. Congrats! To you, to me, to Hungary, to EU, to Ukraine.
Péter Magyar's victory speech. He drives the point home, over and over again, that he plans to reunite Hungarians, regardless of party alignment.
Pledges to start a spring cleaning and ensure that Hungary stops being "következményeknélküli ország" (a country in which deeds have no repercussions).
He reaffirms that Hungary was, is and will always be a European country, he promises cooperative stance with Europe and neighbors, goes to Brussels to "bring back the funding that Hungarians deserve".
@flaki historic day, and I really liked this speech. good to see Hungary back in Europe. I might even have cried a little.
Another important moment in Péter Magyar's victory speech specifically calls out making Hungary a country in which “noone shall be ostracized for thinking differently, for loving differently, for believing differently than the majority” — with the crowd going wild after the second part, as he pledges to build a platform radically different to their hatemongering, xenophobic and homophobic christian-nationalist predecessors.
Also add “corrupt” to that list of the Fidesz’ called-out sins, when he goes on to proclaim he set out to build a country in which “it matters not, who your acquaintances are, but one's qualities as a person”.
As far as rhetoric goes, if we get only half of this to pass we're already going to be light years beyond the current sorry state of affairs in Hungary... 🤞
Later on he goes on to describe Tisza's Hungary as one staunchly in the alliances of Europe and the EU, but perhaps even more importantly he *explicitly* calls out rebuilding, strengthening and possibly even expanding(??) the Visegrád 4 cooperation, specifically calling out that his first trip will be to “our Polish brothers and sisters” to mend our “1100 year friendship” — a friendship that soured after the Russian invasion of Ukraine because the poles (like the Baltics and many others), regardless off party affiliation, understood the gravity of the situation and could not stand Hungary appeasing the aggressor (and just how servile and humiliating, we only recently got to learn through the many leaks)
Seriously, he might be the most racist closeted dickhead in the universe, if he holds himself to just 10% of what he claims and presents outward, I'm down for this.
The minister for Social Services and Family Affairs in the new TISZA government was named on Friday to be dr. Kátai-Németh Vilmos.
Not only he is blind, and the first ever disabled minister to hold office in Hungarian history, he is a lawyer (he decided to enroll into law school after he got thrown out of a grocery store with his assistance dog!) and a martial arts enthusiast. He is a black-belt aikido master who also developed his own self defense techniques he named "White Sword" to help his fellow blind compatriots protect themselves. He says he frequently jokes "Where law cannot help me, I rely on my fist. When my fist cannot help me, I will rely on the law."
i don't want to go too deep, just a clear and accessible explanation.
maybe there's a website, book, or video you can recommend?
@hi
It's still mostly the difference between sending a letter or a postcard.
Sure, that's an email heavy perspective, and there's more to it than that, but that's a place to start.
I got a printer and a tape interface for my 4-bit BASIC computer/pocket calculator Sharp PC-1248. I love this little toy because it has far more RAM than most users would ever need - almost 8K is available to the user. The printer is quick and tiny, too. The computer runs 150 hours from two CR2032, and the printer is powered by four AA batteries with unknown yet runtime.
@nina_kali_nina nice print. A self portrait?
Here's the device loading the program and printing the image. Sorry it's very blurry, I'm too excited to share it ASAP :D
If you're wondering why I needed a printer for this computer: well, first, it's cool, and second, the computer can record the programs to a tape without this device, but can't load them. I tried to build my own version of the cassette tape interface for it from scraps a couple of weeks ago, but it didn't work for some reason. Probably the signal was too quiet.
If you ever find yourself owning this little computer, here are some very useful resources:
Basic->WAV converter (comes with source codes):
https://www.peil-partner.de/ifhe.de/sharp/
DIY tape interface (you can't just load tapes from the device without it, only save): https://ht-deko.com/pokecom/bbce124.html
Printer emulator using Arduino: http://www.cavefischer.at/spc/html/CE-126P_Emulator.html#PC-1250A
Now that I have this wonder of portable personal computing in its final form, I need to think: what kind of computing I can do on a 4-bit BASIC computer (read: slow) with a super bad keyboard (read: worse than ZX81) and a screen of 16 characters (e.g. most output goes to a printer right away)? And the IO is limited to a tape and a printer.
There's enough RAM to run a simple text editor, but the keyboard is a pain, so I'd rather not. Simple spreadsheet app is feasible, but I might as well just use BASIC. A database app would require some clever sharding. It could work as an organiser for 100 notes/contacts, but this is better done by a sheet of paper hidden in the back cover of the computer.
What do I even do with you, o little computer?
It's obviously very useful for little programs like "enter your mortgage details and we'll print the payment schedule, taking compound interest into account" or "type in the colours of the stripes on your resistor and it'll print out the resistance". But what else?
I guess very few people bought such pocket computers / BASIC calculators to play video games, but I think it's going to be pretty good for all sorts of little games. I'm sure even a decent game of chess is very well achievable with 8K of RAM for BASIC.
Sadly, the device can't play music, and its serial port is a bit wonky, so even controlling MIDI through it might be a bit too much 🤔
Accessing BBSes is also out of the question; the screen is too tiny, and the serial port can't be used with the printer connected. Maybe it is possible to use a phone line to transmit programs/data over it as if its a tape recorder, but I doubt it'll work.
@nina_kali_nina So the cassette input is one channel audio, I presume? Or what kind of frequencies does it work at? I would imagine an analogue phone line would probably have no problems with the same frequency range. Why do you doubt it would work? Audio compression over a digital connection might corrupt the signal. But in principle I imagine it could work.
@steeph I have a cassette tape player that doesn't work with this computer because its earphone output is too quiet. Even when I use my laptop as the sound signal, I have to crank up the volume to the max or it doesn't work
I found a reasonable application for this pocket computer. Imagine you're doing a book club with a small number of visitors every time (5-10 people). You want to collect everyone's feedback about the club. Printing 500 copies of the form for the next year is annoying, and you'd have to write down the name of the book you're reading, the current date and the next date for every event. You also might realise, after using 50 forms, that the form is missing an important question or something.
This little computer is almost perfect for those small-scale print jobs. You type the form one, and you can get as many copies as you need (well, up to 100 copies from four batteries, unless you have a wall plug).
Sorry for messing up the string variables :D
I used something similar at a structural engineering firm back in the 90s, albeit a Casio. One of the partners wrote a beam design program on it. They had a bunch of them for the engineers but they were starting to fail. One of my jobs when I joined was rewriting it for a PC with Visual Basic to preserve the program. It would have been easy except there was a mistake in the maths but the partner wouldn't accept it and kept demanding why the new program gave different numbers 🙄
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I wanted one of those pocket computers so much when I was a kid.
Especially the one that ran Lisp rather than basic.
@nina_kali_nina games? I had a Casio PB100 and the manual had a "snakes in the grass" BASIC game - there was a row of colons and every so often one would turn into a semicolon :::;:: and you had to press the corresponding digit before it disappeared.
@kw217 the manual for this one has a couple of games, too: Lunar Lander and Hunt (run around a 2D map chasing a "fox"). I think there is enough RAM for complex economic and role playing games - it should handle 1000 lines of BASIC with 2-4 commands per line
@nina_kali_nina ah yes - is the Lunar Lander one with velocity and altitude as numeric displays and you have to boost just right to land without crashing?
@nina_kali_nina I guess Colossal Cave would have too much text but maybe you could tokenize it?
@evv42 it is possible to program this calculator in machine codes somehow, but this particular model is fairly neglected/obscure. Tbh even the BASIC isn't particularly bad
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt - print a randomly generated poem
- tarot reading
- basic inventory management (tracking stock, recording item transactions, tracking storage locations)
- regular reminders (if it has an internal clock); could be useful if you're the kind of person who finds physical reminder notes better & need to remember a bunch of regular things ie medication intake. have the printer roll out the thermal paper straight onto your desk and don't tear it off until you do it
@cyanidesunrise the reminder thing is pretty cool! It is possible to connect a 9V power brick to run it off the mains, and there's WAIT command that should sleep for ~1 second, so it should be doable. Probably not the best way to use all the powers
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt if it's no clock and wait commands it'd need regular sync (i bet some commands are VERY blocking), which feels self-defeating. your reminder device needs reminders to function
@cyanidesunrise well, one of the examples implements a tiny pocket clock using WAIT, which is pretty impressive. This is a direct spin off of a first pocket commuter programmable in BASIC, so even if it drifts by few minutes day it's still very impressive
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt i suppose it could display its own clock on the screen and add "i do not comprehend the concept of time :( please check the screen and correct for drift" as a reminder every week or so
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt i think the reminder thing could also be adapted to a multi user context, like household chores reminder with the option for anyone to type in additional schedules; the horrible keyboard does not matter if it's just "mo/1230/milk for andy"
@cyanidesunrise it does work as a tiny printer with a timer, but it's not clear to me how it is superior to just a note on the fridge and an alarm xD
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt it's not, the idea is bullshit, i'm just trying to scrounge up SOMETHING
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt i suppose it is vastly aesthetically superior. you invite someone over and they see disheveled antique hardware with incomprehensible key layouts glued to furniture ask wtf that is and you say "oh that's my post-it" but that's probably nothing new in your home
@cyanidesunrise Oh, I know what kind of stuff it can be used for! Let me try a thing...
@cyanidesunrise I've done a thing: https://tech.lgbt/@nina_kali_nina/116387346908161534
I found a reasonable application for this pocket computer. Imagine you're doing a book club with a small number of visitors every time (5-10 people). You want to collect everyone's feedback about the club. Printing 500 copies of the form for the next year is annoying, and you'd have to write down the name of the book you're reading, the current date and the next date for every event. You also might realise, after using 50 forms, that the form is missing an important question or something.
This little computer is almost perfect for those small-scale print jobs. You type the form one, and you can get as many copies as you need (well, up to 100 copies from four batteries, unless you have a wall plug).
Sorry for messing up the string variables :D
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt very fancy retrotech fridgenote
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt bonus points if you manage to affix that thing to an actual fridge door
It should be possible to recompile/reuse many of the programs for TRS-80 PC-1, which is a grandfather of this computer: https://github.com/Robert-van-Engelen/119-Practical-Programs-for-the-TRS-80-Pocket-Computer?tab=readme-ov-file
@nina_kali_nina Golf. There is a credible version played along one line in 49 Explosive Games for the ZX81.
@drj I see there's Pool already, so making Golf shouldn't be too hard. But that's, again, games - I want something practical I guess xD
@nina_kali_nina another thought — a small-scale turn-based strategy, like “into the breach”, but (you guessed it) text-only.
@wbftw yeah, I'm thinking of Sharp City or Sharp Settlers
@nina_kali_nina can’t find anything online re: those, but a city builder sounds fun. Wonder how it’d work in text-only mode (unless there’s support for graphics?).
@wbftw I meant knock-offs of SimCity and The Settlers :)
I suspect the text-only mode would work just fine
@nina_kali_nina vocabulary translation drill would come to mind. Or any "past tense drill". Printer could be used to grant "proof of use" to a supervisor.
A game of BattleShips might also work.
@PypeBros oh! I can imagine irregular verb drill, super handy.
@nina_kali_nina and if you're ready to burn much paper, a port of the original Carmen Sandiego game could be pretty fitting, given that good amount of UI featured a typewriter ;)
Your mission is clear:
Print the bee movie script, then measure battery life in bee movie prints.
I'm sorry, I don't make the rules. This is just your life now.
@hp I looked up the manual, it says 2000 lines printed with poor batteries and 3000 lines with awesome batteries
@nina_kali_nina it seems at 22 character per line.
That means that good batteries are about 2 bee movies, bad batteries around 1.15 bee movies.
Everything except metric.
@hp 24 characters, so maybe 2.05 bee movies
@nina_kali_nina
no way that printer should be able to do that
the printer, of course, does that anyway
@hp
@nina_kali_nina @adipoeserPursch I totally love this, what a great toy! The only thing that makes me sad is that it shows me in an annoyingly clear way that I don’t know anymore what I could ever do with a computer that has no network interface.
Does that thing have any connectivity one could abuse? RS232 or something?
@zappes @adipoeserPursch there's a 5V serial port with hardware flow control; it is used by CLOAD/CSAVE, LPRINT, PRINT# and INPUT#, but obviously BASIC adds some overhead for PRINT#/INPUT#. The device should be programmable in machine codes allowing for direct access to the hardware, but there's no manual for it, afaik
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I programmed in that era, but I'm sufficiently conditioned by our modern era that I find myself shocked by
> it has far more RAM than most users would ever need - almost 8K is available to the user.
😁
@nina_kali_nina I still have a SHARP PC1401 here that has served me well all these years. I don't have a printer for it. It's a great machine for its time.
@nina_kali_nina I have a similar Sharp calculator (no printer (yet)). I can’t believe that people actually did programming for work on these tiny keyboards and screens. The portability is awesome though!
@nina_kali_nina Wait... 150 hours from two CR2032s? Where did we go wrong. My watch only lasts 30 hours and its 2026.
@khleedril it also doesn't have Flash in it (I think), and nevertheless the RAM stores data for a little while after the batteries are extracted from the device)
@nina_kali_nina The memory is 8,000 little pistons which are moved up and down with a magnetic field generated by a coil underneath each, and a coil immediately above uses changes in inductance to read out the state of the memory cell...
As long as you don't shake the thing too vigorously batteryless retention is about five minutes after which piston slippage makes it unreliable.
it has the best user interface: command line interface ❤️
pkg updatedone
pkg upgrade
pkg install openssh
pkg install termux-services
sv-enable sshd
@hi termux annoyingly used GNU bash by default, when there’s a perfectly serviceable mksh already in the base AOSP
@knapjack @hi just out of curiosity, why do you use the nōn-standard shell GNU bash, which is copyleft and slow, instead of the Korn shell, whose main variant is literally POSIX shell’s father and extremely fast and whose other variant is copycentre licenced, very small and still 3x as fast as GNU bash (and in the subvariant I maintain, much closer to POSIX, too, while having tons of useful extensions, some of which have even been adopted by bash/zsh viceque versa)?
Some rc in there, too. And technically I started scripting in DCL, but that only got me in trouble. 😁
But, for instance, PowerShell has several *sh-isms that work similarly but not identically, so I catch myself stubbing my toe when I'm in PowerShell and not using the native commands. When I'm scripting I either care which shell I'm in or I try to be as portable as possible. Conversely, day-to-day one-liners, I find that it's rare that I'm stubbing my toe on the syntax or features of some other shell. But if I were, changing my default shell would be the first thing I'd do.
I am not promoting bash here, just genuinely curious if you're like, "OMG, my fingers cannot unlearn ________ and I use that feature continuously," or more, "F the GPL." Hoping it's the former and I get to learn something new.
@knapjack @hi in my case… I develop mksh because I like to program in shell ;-) and OpenBSD ksh was a much nicer base than GNU bash, especially wrt. what I could add portability-wise and that it also works well statically linked and fits the bootfloppies better. That my users tell me it’s 3× as fast in their workloads on average is a nice bonus.
But, basically, I pose it as an ash/dash and posh/loksh replacement. There are use cases for GNU bash, and I know people who use mksh as scripting shell instead of their interactive shell (though, in their case, the latter is usually zsh or, recently, fish).
And mksh is /system/bin/sh on Android, after all, so it’s the standard :þ
(Funnily enough, I went COMMAND.COM → GNU bash → OpenBSD ksh which then evolved into mksh.)
Somedays I really care and some days I'm like, whatever, just give me a browser and a shell and some kind of flat surface, maybe some carbs.
@knapjack by “move” you mean you just changed it in the config? Not an AP Move?
Then, yes, no wonder it does not work.
That’s going to be a hard thing to recover from. (Thankfully, you did not re-use an existing domain with a fresh instance, as someone else did, because we now cannot even see each other’s posts at all.) Perhaps unfollowing and re-following everyone individually will work? (Mention this in your profile bio before you do that, so people will know, and will also know they possibly have to re-follow you.)
I thought about moving to a big instance, maybe Vivaldi's, while I sort it all out and move back.
i wanted to try ksh in termux to run tests for my #openbsd scripts, but looks like it's not too much faster than running everything on remote openbsd host...
Japan's new anti-foreigner (*legal* residents) laws and rules changes are so demoralizing. Most of my non-Japanese friends have already moved out or are in the process of moving out. The last 12 months have been bad. This isn't a normal expat/immigrant turnover wave. Feels like the end.
No clue why someone would want to move to Japan. Late capitalist hellscape. Did they think they were moving to the anime islands or something?
@sampler I moved there over a decade ago. The situation with foreign residents was not as bad, and improving, instead of getting worse.
@sampler also, just to be clear, Indonesia is not a place I would want to live. (I used to live in Singapore. I know younger people Indonesia support this at a much lower rate, but that's reality.)
@cancel It's sad to hear that. Not unexpected though, with the current PM. But it seems to be a trend in many countries. Where I live (the UK) they have been steadily making it harder for foreigners ever since I moved here, 25 years ago. As it is today I could/would not move here. When people are afraid, foreigners are the easy target.
@cancel I'd like to learn more about this, are there particular measures that are very dispiriting, and/or do you have a link where I can read more? 🙏 Japanese is fine.
30x fee increase for applying or renewing resident status (visas) (green card fee now equivalent to 5 months rent, work visa equivalent to 2 months rent, must be renewed every 1 or 3 years)
green cards now have a prerequisite 5-year resident status terms (normal is 1 or 3 year. 5 is very hard/random to get. requirement is a black box and not documented and arbitrary, likely depends on the individual who reviews your application. either way you must also live in the country for 10 years and have an unbroken work paper trail for the last 5, with 0 late payments on pension and health care)
increased scrutiny in general
engineering/humanities visa now requires passing a japanese language proficiency test which is only administered in a few countries and requires flying to
renewals also require this test, no grandfathering
exceptions may be made if the company can prove japanese is not required for your job
some people will have to flee japan because this rule goes into effect april 15th and the test requires over a year of study
there are even more things, those are just some of them.
it's a giant list of things to trip you up and make it as difficult as possible to stay in the country
@vlad they keep adding to it every few weeks. it's kind of a nightmare
@vlad also i should point out that low-paid laborers for neighboring SEA countries in the temporary (use you and then kick you out) programs are not subject to this. it's only white collar workers from other countries who want to immigrate to japan willingly. it's performative cruelty
@cancel Thanks for taking the time to share all this info. The uncertainty in particular must be really scary, going off of what I've experienced with the UK Home Office.
@vlad for all that pain you can enjoy a 15% salary compared to what you would make in america, no discrimination protection (50% of landlords will turn you down from renting an apartment just for being a foreigner, this is legally allowed) and increasing xenophobia over the last 18 months. (for example a common belief in japan is that foreign workers don't pay tax, which is not even slightly true. subject to the exact same system as citizens.) it's no wonder most people i know are leaving.