Chat, is this bad? (the breaker is off…)

Not exactly sure what's going on, I thought it was a bad breaker, but no a brand new one exhibits this same issue. No other sockets exhibit the same, they have zero voltage across when their respective breaker is off.
And yes, I have called a Qualified Electrician to take a look because this is the same wall socket that had an electric stove hooked up to and when I got rid of the stove the quick connectors used to hook it up were all sad and melty, so I don't trust this wiring. It is probably Evil 
@hi I know when I reached the limits of my knowledge and it's time to hand it over (there are also some other things I have been wanting to have inspected...).
Now if only I could find an English-speaking electrician...
@hi (since the breaker works, I suspect shenanigans in the neutral wire, as that's not actually connected to the breaker, but there is enough current flowing that it tripped the residual current breaker when I (I guess) touched the wires to the ground wire - which is how I found out about the Evil in the first place - but also not enough current to trigger the contactless live wire tester)
how is your estonian, by the way?
@hi ma õppin :)
It's good enough to tell the electrician I'm calling that I'm looking for an english-speaking electrician, but certainly not good enough to explain in the ways my apartment's electrical wiring is cursed and in need of being exorcised :D
requirements:
I use VLC
@hi seconding @continue 's suggestion for VLC.
I just use it for my podcasts (which I batch download into one flat directory as you mention wanting to play) so I can't speak to the video aspects, but I've seen support in there. It plays when the phone is locked and remembers where you left off. And in my case, I like that I can crank playback speed since I usually listen at 2–2.5× while maintaining pitch. It also has an EQ to help make some podcasts easier to understand.
Interesting. It seems like there are way more Linux users here than I expected.
So, let’s do a little roll call:
What are you using?
Linux?
Windows?
macOS?
BSD?
Something beautifully weird?
I’m curious 👀
#Linux #LinuxUser #Fediverse #Mastodon #OpenSource #Tech #OldschoolInternet
| Linux: | 268 |
| Windows: | 17 |
| macOS: | 46 |
| BSD: | 39 |
Closes in 3:22:03:19
"There are now many vi clones and derivatives to choose from, and I couldn’t find a good comprehensive list of all of them with links, so here’s mine."
https://lpar.ath0.com/posts/2026/05/the-vi-family/
(and I hold my breath for @ed1conf to release a good comprehensive list of all ed(1) releases with links 😜)
A very unimportant question because u got a new iPad with a keyboard case:
When you put stickers on your laptop or laptop-type thing, do you place them so they are right side up for you when your laptop is closed or right side up for others when it’s open?
| For me when closed: | 3 |
| For others when open: | 12 |
Closes in 11:53:08
Being a corporation is not punk. But which is *least* punk?
| Microsoft: | 24 |
| Google: | 9 |
| Apple: | 7 |
| IBM: | 29 |
@a they are all so painfully not punk...
@rose_alibi I picked these four because dropping in, like, Palantir or a defense contractor would've just swamped the results.
@a IBM by the tiniest margin though
same here, and I'm pretty sure that IBM these days won't even deal with anyone who isn't a large corporate, especially since they sold their hardware division to Lenovo many years ago..
@vfrmedia @rose_alibi Hrm, you might be right; I think my mental model of them is stuck pre-sale.
@a I'm kinda torn (I voted IBM). IBM have never ever given or wanted to give any punk vibes, in fact, the opposite. But Microsoft, on the other hand, have at times tried and failed spectacularly to be punk.
Which of the two attitudes is the least punk? I do not know.
ok new touchscreen samples for MNT Vector (7inch tablet) are in, and they're great. now how to build and run Gnome Mobile on Debian...
eINK? Or LCD? Or LED?
Just curious (and always looking for good eINK devices to make into book readers. An MNT based device with eINK, running debian, could use calibre as its ebook reader)
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@mntmn I love it (ofc). Would be awesome if it would be possible to back it without the...sbc-card (cannot remember the proper term) if I wanna move around and upgrade my MNT Reform Next.
I made this a few years ago, to compare the size of the entire screen on an original 128k Mac with the size of the Safari icon on modern macOS. Enjoy!
Psst! Hey, you, yes you,
here's another zine about some obscure computing paradigm.
https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/pocket_nets
@neauoire c'est pas très bon pour la santé mentale je crois bien 😂 j'ai passé la journée a me demander comment faire de l'arithmétique avec des nombres entiers (int64)
@maxime_andre Haha, je travaille justement sur un section sur la page sur l arithmetic
@neauoire t'as fait des trucs récursifs déjà avec les interaction nets ? c'est balaise... factorial j'arrive, du coup je pensais que fibonacci ce serait facile, mais non... 😅
@neauoire Well thanks for giving me the thing I'm gonna be studying the next few days!!!
@gimmechocolate lemme know if you have any questions :) Here's a little playground if you want to test some nets:
https://inets.t6.dev/#0PYVwLgUGBOIKYAIC8CAUqCGCBGBKNWeuEEcAHjBgMZjJrqIBU+ADvqom8eZTXajHgJQYYkA
@neauoire So far I found out it fits in with lambda calculus! am now wondering if it'd fit in with ML/homotopy type theory!!!
@gimmechocolate it does! but being linear, you'll see pretty fast how it falls short, especially if you need multiple bindings or copies of things. There's very little exploration in IN-native, not necessarily LC-brained, nets in the current literature. I'm curious to see what you find going down the homotopy road.
How it started/how it's going.
Building your own battery bank isn't particularly cheap, the cells here cost ~70 euro (a little less in bulk), the BMS is another 20, and then all the equipment and materials - while you can easily find a similar-size ~20Ah batteries under 100 EUR.
However what you get with building your own (besides the skills/experience) is *flexibility*.
See, the 20Ah "Trolling motor" battery from Renogy is $90, and you get a decent 12V battery for that price with about 240Wh of capacity. But it's a *dumb* battery. Want to monitor your battery status, capacity, charging/discharging? Most brands will sell you a "smart" battery - with a hefty markup! - that has bluetooth and an app* you can download (though, probably not in this size/price category).
But can you get one with *wired* monitoring? And, maybe a 24V one without having to deal with balancing series-connected batteries? No money can buy that.
Mine can do all of this and more.
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* that needs an account, see next post
The most infuriating bit, of course is the standard enshittification "you don't actually own the thing you bought" part.
My Ecoflow power station locks most features in an app that needs a cloud account to do *anything at all*. And it has Bluetooth! My Anker power station? Better, at least it lets you control the device with the app over bluetooth, however it will try to upsell you on connecting it to wifi(!!) and logging in at every opportunity, and will only do firmware updates when you log in and connect it to wifi. So you need to connect to wifi to fix security issues caused by...connecting your batteries to the internet.
https://flaki.social/@flaki/115016229202016176
This reminded me of the screenshot I took the other day and forgot to post
https://flaki.social/@flaki/115016139335121817Important context: Anker's power stations can be accessed via Bluetooth & their app. They really want you, though, to create a cloud account, to the point that they nag you every time you start up the app, but you can skip it. The one thing you *need* to have a cloud account for is connecting your power station to wifi: and while they will tell you you have a pending firmware update, you can only install it by connecting to wifi (which requires linking to a cloud account).
With that context now you can really see the beauty here: please install this latest firmware update that fixes important security issues arising when connecting your fucking SOLAR POWER BANK to the cloud by... being forced to connect said overgrown phone charger to the internet.
Fuckin A+, brilliant, no notes.
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Funnily enough, the JBD BMS I used for this custom battery build supports Bluetooth, and comes with its own app.
That only lets you view rudimentary statistics. And you can't even configure your BMS to your battery bank's specifics until you create an account with them and log in!
But then, here's the kicker, to put insult to injury if you do all these and then *dare to disable wifi* (still logged in!!) the app will forget everything about this BMS and will refuse to give you proper access until you reconnect to wifi!
But remember, the flexibility part? Trivially you can use a variety of hardware/software solutions (probably the easiest is ESPHome/Home Assistant) to control the BMS without the app - either wired with the on-board UART port or via Bluetooth.
https://github.com/syssi/esphome-jbd-bms
@flaki week you write this up somewhere? I'm super curious
@coldclimate eventually
https://flaki.social/@flaki/116533375955761568
@asciijungle it's evolving :)
There will likely be a blogpost out of it eventually. I have been experimenting with solar power for a while now, so I have a bunch of stuff lying about that I don't regularly use, like this Ecoflow River 3 power station and a couple amorphous silicone (=flexible/light portable) panels that I stuck on my East-facing balcony so they get to take in the AM sun.
The easiest is to just hook everything up to the power station's AC output and only enable AC charging when the sun doesn't provide power and the battery level is low (you could automate this with home assistant or similar if you wanted).
Better is running whatever you can from DC power and skipping the inverter altogether. Even with voltage conversion and other losses you are going to see at least the same or better efficiency.
My next step is more storage and a higher-voltage battery (which improves DC power conversion losses), skipping the Ecoflow power station entirely and going full DIY.
@flaki looks good!
I built a 25Ah 48v battery a few years ago. The cells were great (I've still got them here) but my BMS was always the weak point.
I chose Daly (who seemed to be a big player) but, despite using 30A or 40A rated BMSs and only charging/discharging at a max of 10A, i had to replace the BMS three times in four years.
Last year I got fed up of fixing it (and LFP cell prices had plummeted) so I bought a 315Ah / 16kWh kit from Fogstar and retired the 25Ah cells.
@coldclimate FYI.
@flaki @coldclimate
Note I wouldn't build it quite like this if I was doing it again today. I'd use actual cell separators, for example, rather than relying on the shrink-wrap. But the principle is the same.
@sheddi @coldclimate yeah I have used JK-BMS for my previous build https://flaki.social/@flaki/116127774031846291 honestly it works decently well, my only complaint is that at low power draw (<100W) the power consumption figures are very approximate (which is sort of understandable for a 100A BMS). So I wanted to try something more oriented for smaller cells/builds, the JBD seems that, more aimed at e-bikes and similar. I like these 32700 cells because of the size and flexibility, even if in raw storage they are not the most efficient.
I have some 280Ah prismatic cells coming in that will eventually likely go into a "battery wall" case or rackmount case, those will be the main bulk power storage for the house, these 32700 cell builds are more for experimentation and learning.
Couple days ago I finished my first ever custom-built battery pack, which is now assembled and running in test mode at the Flaki Farm (aka my "cabin").
It was a fun challenge! For sizable home ESS (solar electricity storage) it is much better to go with a couple large prismatic cells and simple screw-on bus bars but I really wanted to try my hand at spot-welding a reasonably-sized stationary pack from cylindrical LiFePO4 cells. It's not winning any endurance contests, but the 32 cells sport ~25Ah (~600Wh) of energy that will happily run the house's systems (Home Assistant, LTE router, etc.) for a few days and can handle a useful inverter load (should be capable of 1kW so you can make some ham & eggs & tea with it, easy-peasy).
@coldclimate @sheddi you are quite likely better off just flat-out replacing the existing battery with a new bank. Depending on the specifics of your installation and system, you might be able to just plug&play replace it and then have it re-inspected (which you need if you are feeding into the grid).
14kWh battery banks (16S 48V) on Ali Express go for under 1.500 EUR. The raw cells I ordered were ~1000 EUR and you can get a BMS and a case for 3-400 EUR if you eager to build, but there is little to be gained if you just want a working system, buy a premade box.
tiny lua compiler: a lua compiler in a single file, that's well-documented, that was hand-crafted over several years, and made to teach you compiler/tokenizer/parser/lexer design.
this is a crazy impressive project, and in a time when people are haphazardly slopcoding projects, is a standard to live by.
@vga256 I love this so much. It reminded me of this 21-line spelling corrector in Python https://impythonist.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/peter-norvigs-21-line-spelling-corrector-using-probability-theory/
I sell Libreboot, and Libreboot accessories.
Libreboot is free/opensource boot firmware, replacing proprietary BIOS/UEFI. I'm Libreboot's founder and lead developer, and I use sales to fund the project.
Libreboot gives you better security and customisation. As a Free Software project, Libreboot democratises the boot firmware, giving you control. It's your computer, nobody elses.
Debian Linux, other distro or a BSD of your choice can be preinstalled.
@libreleah of course this is probably in their ball court as much as yours but I'm curious if you have any plans or interest in doing framework laptops with libreboot?
@wombatpandaa I have no such plans, and I'm aware that the company responsible for Framework products has made some rather problematic political choices as of late; if a Libreboot port were to become technically viable, I still very likely would not touch Framework with a fourty-kilometer barge pole.
@libreleah I wasn't aware of any political faux pas, I may have to look into that. Whatever the case, fair enough! In this era we have to be willing to carefully pick our battles.
@wombatpandaa If free boot firmware were supported, you could just use whatever they/someone provides. As I said, I'm almost certainly not touching Framework at all. I don't want to be associated with that company in any way whatsoever.
@libreleah gotcha, thanks for being straight with me about it! And for all the work you do for the open source community.
@libreleah You make the same mistake like most selling laptops. You didn't put the screen size anywhere. Its not even in the specs.
Screensize is mostly the first decision when buying a new laptop. And there are few who already know how many inches has a Lenovo T480...
@evangeligal correct! i've fixed this now. i simply put it in the title of each product page. i don't even think about screen sizes myself, easy to overlook.
@moses_izumi i mean, i didn't do that, someone else did and i merged their patche. making your own battery packs should be feasible. e.g. a bunch of lipo batteries wired in parallel for amperage. there are probably already solutions for this that you can just buy. generic portable power supplies. for a high power desktop, yeah get a large UPS (that's what i use at home and at the lab)
so long as the voltages match you should be fine
@moses_izumi the libreboot documentation needs a massive audit and cleanup, and add a few missing bits.
i did this for the libreboot build system from 2023-2025, essentially re-writing it incrementally over a two-year period. that same obsessive love is needed for lbwww.git i think
Today I tried out my new Ego battery powered riding lawnmower and it was... well...
Complicated.
There are at least 3 complications in play:
1. I've never driven a zero-turn machine before. It's simple in principle but not as easy as it seems in the heat of the moment. (aka trying not to hit a tree)
2. My yard is apparently more sloped than is ideal for these sorts of mowers. I was worried about that, but I had no idea where the line was. I think my yard is over the line.
3. The battery life was rated for 1.5 acres. I have 1 acre. That seemed like it'd be good enough margin. It is not.
The first issue is perhaps mostly a skill issue - but I'm not sure. Perhaps I can learn to be better at it. In the time I spent with it today, I did feel I was already improving, but due to some of the hills and the 30 trees I have to contend with in my yard, there were a number of close calls that I felt legit freaked out by.
You ever see those videos of some old guy getting confused about which pedal is the brakes and then crashing through a building?
That.
I get it now.
As a n00b with this control scheme, it feels unbelievably dangerous. As in - how the hell do they sell these. This isn't likely a problem unique to Ego. It's not even a problem unique to this kind of machine. I mean, a motorcycle kinda has the same thing going on there.
But the thing is, I didn't expect a motorcycle. I didn't expect this learning curve.
I have a spot near my mailbox that plunges 10-15 feet straight down to a drainage creek. I'm terrified to cut anywhere near that with this.
And, again, this likely has nothing to do with the Ego - it's the zero-turn control scheme. I might get better at it. I have to remind myself I have literally decades of experience driving a "normal" wheel+pedal type of arrangement and zero experience with this. But holy hell.
Which brings me to the second issue.
I figured this would work better on hills, tbh. I mean, just look at the center of gravity here. The weight of me + batteries are all right over the drive axle.
What I failed to think about (and didn't run across anyone mentioning), is that doesn't matter in the slightest because if one of the two wheels slips a bit, like, say, when on a slope, you suddenly cannot turn.
You need both drive wheels to turn. The front wheels are just coasters. The only way to turn is to have BOTH wheels firmly on the ground.
Imagine the terror of a momentary lapse about which handle to pull to turn while on a slope and gravity pulling you down and it won't steer anymore.
So not only is the handling on a slope somewhat terrifying to a zero-turn n00b, it also absolutely murders battery life.
Which brings me to the third point.
My yard is 1 acre. It has a whole house on it. There's an old trampoline. An area we ignore that we call the "prairie." What I'm getting at is, it's nowhere near an acre of grass.
I stopped for lunch and the battery was already down to something like 30% left. I wasn't even half done.
I charged it over lunch, but not to full.
Cut some more and ran it dead. (Luckily it shuts off the mower before going entirely dead so you can drive it back to the garage - which is handy.)
Then I charged it for another hour or so. (Again, not to full.)
I managed to finish the yard at that point.
It's *possible* that maybe I could do the whole yard with one *full* charge break.
Maybe.
But that's the thing - given its 1.5 acre capacity I didn't expect to have to.
At one point it was down to 10% or so. I went up one of the hills and watched it drop an entire percentage point. I went back down and then back up the hill again. It dropped another whole percentage point.
The hills are murder for this. Obviously they tested this on a totally flat 1.5 acre lot (maybe one with a HUGE house on it, too).
So all in all, this is very disappointing.
It's possible that 1 and some of 2 could be mitigated by experience. I might simply get better at it. (Hopefully will.) And maybe it won't feel so dangerous and such.
But 3 and the other half of 2 are just physics. I can't do anything about them.
Yeah, sure, I could spend even more money on bigger batteries for it. (And maybe I eventually will.)
But that's just a bandaid, isn't it?
If I'm right about needing at least one full recharge for my yard, then I don't even think I could get a single pass even if I replaced all SIX of the batteries with Ego's biggest (and wildly expensive) batteries.
I fear that the energy math just doesn't work here.
And the disappointing thing is... I can't tell if this is a case of not doing the math correctly or just not having the info. How could I have known? They said it'd cut 1.5 acres. Probably some fine print says "(must be totally flat)." But I missed it. (And maybe didn't want to see it.) How do you factor in the slopes?
But there's no returning it or something without a huge financial loss. Even if I were to somehow exchange it magically for the tractor version it won't fix the battery issue.
So ultimately I'm probably stuck with it.
I mean, I don't totally hate it. My assumption is I'll get better at it.
I can do the yard in two passes, maybe, sure.
But that's all kinda not the point. It's quieter. A *lot* quieter. It's cleaner. When I'm not near barriers, it's actually pretty fun to drive.
But it's turned what used to be a 1-1.5 hour job into multiple passes with multi-hour charging downtime.
I'm not all that happy with this tradeoff right now.
So yeah.
@bigzaphod maybe you've already checked, but are the tires aired up to spec?
Lower tire air pressure = more rolling resistance = more battery drain. Might be worth checking (dealer could easily have gotten it wrong). If it is correct already, maybe over-air by 10-15% if it's safe to do so?
@bigzaphod You’ll def get better at driving it, like anything it takes practice. I’m sure you’ll also get more efficient at mowing the lawn. Then the only that’s left is somehow hooking your solar panels up to charge it and you’ll be golden! Seriously though, glad you’re okay. You need to get one of the kids to film you while you mow so we can see some of what you’re experiencing.
@gedeonm @bigzaphod i was thinking the same thing about efficiency, EVs are much more sensible to how you drive and it can have a big impact on range where on gas it wouldn’t make as big a difference. especially now that you’re struggling with turning in the hills once you figure it out i bet it’ll be at least a bit better
but also: agreed on the video, would be fun for us to watch 😂
@manolo @gedeonm yeah I suspect some amount of range improvement might come just from better technique. It’s so sensitive to small changes on the levers and I was herky jerky all over the place overcorrecting, over accelerating, etc. trying to get used to it. Plus there are probably better or more efficient ways to tackle the hills than my old route. One the one hand, might be interesting to experiment. Other the other hand, I didn’t expect to have too, I guess.
@bigzaphod @manolo @gedeonm You’ll get used to operating it. When I was a kid, we had a field swather that had the same controls. It just takes a while to learn. Be careful on the slopes though. You might have to change your cutting pattern so that you always are at a safe approach on the slopes.
@bigzaphod ooof. That’s rough. It does tell me a few things:
One is that our mowing area includes steep enough slopes — a little iffy even in a tractor style, depending on conditions — that a zero-turn of any sort is out of the question.
Two is that, partly because of #1, if our current one dies electric might be questionable — though I expect the range would be less affected by slopes with the tractor style.
@bigzaphod I just watched a couple of videos demonstrating zero-turn handling on various slopes and… yeah, that wouldn't work here.
Most would be fine, and a bunch doable, if a little freaky (and more finicky than I'd like), while getting used to it — but there are a couple of slopes I wouldn't even attempt.
Not that it really matters since we're not in the market anytime soon, but clarity is good.
@bigzaphod Maybe it would be fine, and I'm just getting overly cautious in my advancing years — but I'm not terribly interested in running the experiment 🙃
@montyhayter that's what bugs me. I didn't want this to be an experiment for anything more than, like, battery power. Now it's like 3 other things. And I'm not young and adventurous anymore. (Or maybe I never was.. lol.)
@bigzaphod If I had to guess, it’ll all be mostly “fine” in the end — you'll get used to driving it, and the best way to deal with the slopes — picking up some efficiency in the process — and settle into a new mow-charge-mow routine.
But it is unfortunate that the transition is considerably more fraught than expected, and the upsides not unmitigated.
robots mowers are not that good yet?
@hi well I don't know for sure. I briefly considered a robot, but the vast majority were for 0.5 acres so that kind of ruled most of them out - although I'm not sure what the limit is there. (Couldn't they just go back to the charger and make multiple passes throughout the week? I dunno.)
My robot vacuums haven't been very smart and honesty I sort of doubt the grass robots are much smarter. But... I don't really know.
@bigzaphod I don’t have this model but when I did push mowing with an electric mower we just expected to buy multiple sets of batteries. One charging while you mow then swap.
@ezekiel the batteries are *really* expensive. But that brings up another issue - the machine very cleverly *is* part of the charger, to some degree. Like, I plug the wall charger into the machine to charge them all together. No need to remove the batteries. Great except now there's no charger to put another set of batteries on, either. So to do that, now you need *another* charger in addition to the batteries. I happen to have a 2-battery charger for the snowblower, but this thing uses 6.
@bigzaphod have you considered augmenting with a robot lawnmower? I saw some at the local airport this week, they seemed to be doing an alright job.
@kboyd too expensive to augment, really... maybe should have just got a robot (or two) instead of the Ego... but... I dunno. I've only seen 1 of them around here. Not sure if they just aren't popular or don't work well in our climate for some reason. I'm a bit skeptical of them still, though, considering I've had 3 robot vacuums over the years and they've all been kinda dumb and I'm kind of doubting the lawnmowers work much better... but..... hard to say!
@bigzaphod Ah. Well, I'm sorry that the electification result has been so resoundingly disappointing.
@bigzaphod My experience with electric mowers is that long grass also kills range. We had an electric push mower once and if I couldn’t mow at least once a week (or more in spring) the range was obliterated.
It sounds like you have a lot of room to make your route more efficient as you get used to using it.
Range anxiety also extends to lawn mowers, apparently. 😅
@bigzaphod 1 and 2 are absolutely addressable with practice. We have a gas zero turn mower and I drive it up onto and down off of a slope of at least 30° every time we mow. It is along the edge of our driveway, so I go up and down it again and again and sometimes drive along it sideways, depending on where I am.
That is about building confidence. The thing that is more skill is learning to do a really tight turn without spinning one of the wheels.
@bigzaphod just looked up what zero turn means, that seems so complicated to drive. i mean maybe it’s fine but like you said that’s got some steep learning curve for sure!
@manolo it's way harder than it looks. I see guys using these all over the place here in industrial/commercial settings. But dang... I had no idea they were this tricky to control. And they zoom through those yard like it's Mario Kart.
@bigzaphod I would return it ASAP and hire a service.
But that’s just me. I cut way too many lawns as a kid and young homeowner to ever want it to do it again.
@bigzaphod I worked for an importer of various zero turn machines (Hustler, BigDog, Walker). I can say with experience that tire choice makes a big difference on slopes (turf vs traction focussed), but so too does ensuring that your zero turn is rated for the slopes you want to use them on.
There is definitely nuance to the control scheme (less steering input than you expect, in many cases); but it could also be that this style of machine is just not suited to your terrain.
The battery life issue is a seperate factor, of course. But when I left that market, I know that there were nascent commercial EV zeroturns that were getting all day run life.
@bigzaphod Fascinated about how this is worse than gas in re #2 would have thought these would be lower center of gravity
@bigzaphod I used commerical lawn equipment when I worked for the city years ago.
1. It’s like riding a bicycle, once you get comfortable you’ll be flying around corners and wonder why anyone uses anything but.
2. The center of gravity is much lower on these compared to a tractor. I have mowed incredibly steep hills on both tractors and zero turns. The tractor will flip if you’re not careful. I’ve never come even close to flipping on a zero turn. With that said, don’t push past your comfort.
@bigzaphod We have a half acre yard and my wife tried our neighbors zero turn. She was incredibly uncomfortable and liked our tractor more but after about 3 cuts, she wants to buy a zero turn now
@joshdm even near the end of my first cut I did sometimes get that weird zen feeling with it - like it was very briefly just an extension of myself. I would think, "I should go over there" and then the machine just... went over there. Which was awesome. But then I'd snap into indecision when I got close to a tree or fence or something and immediately pull the wrong lever.
I'm hoping the skill thing works out and I get better at it. But it's been a long time since I've learned to ride a bike. 😛
@bigzaphod wonder how many of these you’d need to cut your yard.. https://9to5mac.com/2026/05/01/iphone-controlled-anthbot-m9-robot-lawn-mower-has-replaced-cutting-grass-for-me/
@bigzaphod @davidfindley I love EVs. I have EV cars and two EV bikes in my house but when I was looking at this lawnmower, I didn’t get the sense that it would work for me. Picked up a used John Deere instead and it’s been working great. Seems like I made the right choice.
I apologize for bringing this into the world.
@gloriouscow neat! There was a similar demo that turned a webcam or video into PETSCII via the PET's RAM.
boostedI'm literally unscrewing lightbulbs to renew their DHCP lease
smart home was a mistake
@db I had a smart bulb in my apartment that needed to turn off and on in rapid succession 10 times in order to enter pairing mode. The knob on the lamp swapped between 3 settings (off, low, on) so turning off and on wasn't fast enough via that method. And it wasn't connected to a light switch, which meant I had to repeatedly pull the plug out of the outlet and jam it back in to get it to work
@db i enjoy having smart home, but i think devices like thermometers and lightbulbs etc should never be on a computer network, with stuff like IP and DHCP and whatever. zigbee and whatever sounds a lot more reasonable to me, and perhaps optionally a little dongle for a computer to be able to talk to them
I got in the habit long ago to reserve addresses for every device I know is mine, so I guess without knowing it, I've sidestepped this issue entirely.
Although, I had to reset one light last year to get it to honor an NTP time change. It was on a dusk to dawn setting and somehow got a corrupted local cache and also jumped into a different time zone.
As I typed that, I'm thinking how absurd it is that a light bulb has a damned data cache in the 1st place.
@db mains breaker off -> on?
@finity i'll remember that for next time
i needed to do it one by one so that I could label each MAC address
@db 15 years ago I was like "smart home sounds cool but all of it will be pricey because system needs to be robust".
5 years ago I was like "so they just did not bother at all".
@db Feel ya! Having Plejd for controlling light switches etc. Bought new lights with "smart" features and the light is great... But, when the internal battery of the lights runs out (aka you have the switch turned off for to long)... Next time you turn the lights on they go in to pairing mode (flashing until pairing is done) #fml
@db oh dang, the light switch signal is lost again in an mqtt QoS1 queue as the home assistant mqtt client disconnected due to an invalid certificate since the acme client can't authenticate against the DNS server, bummer
when design my home next time, i'll make it as dumb and as flexible as possible (to be able to change pipes, wires, partition walls, etc)
@db What I want to know is why the fuck we put the microcontroller in the literally designed to be disposable part of the light and not as an additional layer like a smart plug. At least then, you could just take out that additional layer and deal with dumb lighting while you fix it.
@disorderlyf @db Such things exist! When I was bying parts for my "smart" home I saw the little cylinder-shaped things with E27/E14 connector on the one side and a same socket on the other side, so the usual lamp could be inserted and replaced while the "smart" part stays intact.
But I spent a lot of time on the online marketplace to find one. The marketplaces nowadays are filled with that idiotic WiFi lamps with RGB colors and the phone app to control it 
@evgandr @disorderlyf yeah in hindsight it makes way more sense to "smarten" the switch/relay and not the lightbulb itself
the market does indeed suck, i've given up looking
@db This whole thread reminds me of the time my colleague said he learned Amazon was down when he walked in his house and Alexa didn't turn on the lights.
@db what, you didn’t create a separate, isolated 2.4 GHz WiFi network just for your lightbulbs, and assigned them each a static IP? I thought that was basic practice, once you assembled your team of lightbulb installation IT specialists!
@Archaide zigbee wasn't an option when i stupidly bought very expensive wifi bulbs, they'll pay for themselves in another 10 years
@db So how many DHCP leases does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
This really is a new twist on an old joke.
Any recommendations for running my own mastodon instance on OpenBSD? I am using @OpenBSDAms and really want to continue moving my networks there
also been practicing my colour selection for illustration; I still don't feel confident with colour and building palettes, but I think I'm getting somewhere
openbsd-79-base.pub: RWTSdNN9A3yvWNn7mUjXwv9DOCOUnyfuV+mq1iGPIfD+NhN8EYnEQ1at
openbsd-79-fw.pub: RWQdmBb/OCe1hXE08xCj5VLnBpGpphy7kYPdU3oWyfnrwswjtl8K385E
openbsd-79-pkg.pub: RWSw1kDLJJy6OYgnayEMReLV57z2rzx5jYNCghO+2ARwqd6KuwGFWSn7
openbsd-79-syspatch.pub: RWTJmz/ur68S9e26/JVRr7T88lAPZIF3YgZ3w2lDnf/frAxTerC/DrZ6
aarch64: 12883
amd64: 13044
i386: 10631
mips64: 9309
powerpc64: 9507
sparc64: 10079
arm, powerpc, riscv64: work in progress
I can't speak to the accuracy or "correctness" of the guy's instructions, but the way he opens the video is freaking hilarious.
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=uTrOIPIx7pY
How to Install OpenBSD (2027 Edition)
it was mostly correct, though I'd have recommended copying the window manger (around @11:24) to /usr/local/bin rather than /usr/bin.
And overriding the resolution with xrandr in the .xsession file felt a little weird.
For a from-zero tutorial, I might have stuck to using vi/xterm/cwm instead of installing extra packages for vim/alacritty and building the WM, but there's value to installing zig and showing the build process if that's a goal.
But otherwise it wasn't too bad.
Oh man, yeah. I never put anything in {,/usr}/{,s}bin except the occasional symlink.
I want to try a pure "just use base" install of #OpenBSD sometime. ;)
cwm is kinda neat, a wee bit reminiscent of #dwm or #rio, but definitely on the mousey side.
The default theme of the version of #fvwm they ship is kinda too colorful, but I'm sure it's extremely configurable... if I can only learn the rather elaborate config setup for it.
I have a couple mostly-base systems and OpenBSD's is more usable than most. I wrote up some thoughts on using mostly-base. I'll see if I can find my notes.
While cwm has some mouse annoyances, it can be configured to be pretty keyboard-only, and I like that I can make windows chromeless (very few WMs let me remove all window chrome/border)
I got cwm decently close to my i3wm config a while back ;)
My main reason for using i3/sway is the tabbed window mode. That's my favorite way to fly. ;)
@rl_dane yeah, my ~/.cwmrc is pretty close to my ~/.fluxbox configuration. But one of the things I miss from fluxbox is the ability to group arbitrary windows together into a single tabbed group, and manipulate them as one.
Ooo, what do fluxbox tabbed groups look like?
@rl_dane You can position the tabs on any edge/corner you want. I prefer them vertically along the top-left edge like this screenshot showing a merged xterm+xpdf pair of windows. Hiding the window-chrome hides the title-bar and the tabs, but the "next tab" and "previous tab" key-combos continue to work even when they're not visible. You can also have them appear in the title-bar if that's your thing.
That's neat! Can you switch between them with the keyboard?
@rl_dane yep, from my .fluxbox/keys file (Mod4 is the Logo/Windows key)
Mod4 Next :NextTab
Mod4 Prior :PrevTab
which is Mod4+PgUp and Mod4+PgDn switch to the next/previous tab. There's also absolute indexing if you want something like
Mod4 Shift 1 :Tab 1
⋮
Mod4 Shift 9 :Tab 9
Mod4 Shift0 :Tab -1
but I just use the next/previous ones.
I find the arbitrary-window-grouping particularly helpful when dealing with Gimp palettes…I often end up with a half dozen floating windows for options/layers/colors/etc, and it's nice to corral them into one grouping that I can manipulate as a unit.
Wait... how old a version of GIMP are you running? ^___^
I'd have to check/dig, but there's a menu option somewhere to have single-window (default?) vs floating palettes (old way). So I usually enable the floating-tool windows and then let Fluxbox wrangle them for me which works better with my workflow than keeping them all contained in the single root Gimp window.
Ah, you should try single window mode, it's pretty nice. It actually has its own tabs. :D
@rl_dane I've tried it and find that it didn't fit my workflows well. Inkscape adopted a similar single-window containment and I tend to pop those out and let Fluxbox wrangle them too.
It might be different if I had multiple monitors or a larger screen, but on an old-school laptop monitor at 1366×768, it's what has worked best for me
@rl_dane Found one of my write-ups¹. A base system gets you:
GUI: xenodm/xenocara
Window managers: cwm (my favorite, gives me ~95% of what I use in fluxbox), fvwm (default) and twm (ouch)
Terminal: both the console and xterm
email: You can use mail(1) to read/compose mail, and send/receive via smtpd as long as your ISP/DNS is configured for outbound mail (or you configure smtpd to use a smart-host for relaying the mail). Also, supports aliases for address-book type info
web-serving: You have httpd & relayd in base . If all you want to serve is static pages, httpd will do just fine. If you want to serve dynamic pages, you can configure httpd with slowcgi and then farm out the dynamic serving to scripts using any of the available stock languages (C, /bin/sh, awk, or perl though I don't know which perl modules are available out of the box). You can also tie into tools like ftp which will perform web requests if you need to hit remote API endpoints.
other dev: base comes with a C compiler and scripting languages (as above, various shells & awk(1) as well as sed(1)).
text-editing: ed(1), vi(1), and mg(1) available out of the box
version control: cvs(1) or rcs(1)
project management: make(1)
documents: mandoc(1) or plain HTML with ed/vi/mg
games: You have the whole bsdgames collection (if you opted for them at install-time)
calendar: cal(1) and calendar(1), while reminders can be issued via cron(8)/at(1)
calculator: bc(1) and dc(1) as well as limited shell math like `echo $(( 314*141 + 589))` and using awk(1); also xcalc
networking: You have snmpd for network management, pf for building firewalls. lpd for sharing out printers. iscsid for dealing with iSCSI devices. unbound for DNS caching. ftp(1) for making web/API requests.
The big items I would tend to miss:
- web-browsing (lynx(1) was removed from base a while back)
- media (PDF viewing, music playback and editing, video, and graphics editing likeGimp or Inkscape or Blender)
I know xterm is supposed to be this enormous terrifying bodge, but honestly it gets you a lot. I just don't know how good unicode/emoji support is. Even with #OpenBSD 7.8, some of the emoji appear as black and white outlines, instead of using the Noto Color Emoji font I have installed in ~/.fonts. I'd miss proper clipboard support (I think?), but the memory footprint sure is nicer:
VSZ RSS STAT STARTED TIME COMMAND
7632 16536 SpU 6:14PM 0:00.14 /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm
49420 61956 S Fri06PM 0:01.30 alacritty
I so rarely check mail, other than on my work machine. :P
I should really learn awk more. I just use it as a glorified sed/tr/cut most of the time. ;)
Huh, when's GoT going to be included in base?
I do really love qalc/qalculate, but bc is pretty functional.
I would occasionally miss yt-dlp and mpv, and absolutely scrot/i3-scrot and imagemagick.
Oh man, and w3m and dillo! Argh. XD
I haven't found a way to get color emoji, and the B&W emoji support is spotty (especially with double-width characters or the three-em dash). Fortunately, I don't use emoji for much in the terminal, so it's not much of an issue for me.
I haven't had clipboard issues, I can copy/paste to/from the SELECTION buffer (copy by selecting/paste with MMB), or use xsel from packages to facilitate clipboard manipulation (or clipit to manage clipboard history).
Awk is fantastic ☺
I wouldn't be surprised if GoT made it into the base system eventually which would be a nice upgrade.
As long as I remember to properly set the `scale` in bc, it works for much of what I need.
And yes, I do add scrot (and have keyboard bindings) for screenshots like the one I just gave 😆
Did you ever Ask Jeeves?
| Yes: | 632 |
| No / What on earth are you talking about Neil?: | 190 |
while I tried it on more than one occasion, it almost never produced useful answers. very much like modern LLM results in search-engines. If it's something simple and factual like "What's the capital of Morocco?" or "What's the current population of Texas?" it can usually succeed. But that deeply technical question? right out.
style.css for a bit 🙏🙏tip: when i want to like, boost, or follow i open the post in a new tab so i don't have to reload the whole page with the feed...
Since my son was born ~a year ago I’ve been living a kind of fantasy project life, in that I’d often daydream about projects I could build or cool things I could work on, and plan them out in my head, and then not actually do anything about them because free time is essentially nonexistent. It’s still oddly satisfying in a way!
@gosha and then, some free time comes back - and some things become things to share with children instead of just being personal ❤️
@electret
100%
Free time is scarce, but you don't get that time back with the little ones. The projects can sit in the notebook and wait.
But, now my eldest is 6. We've 3D printed and built a working robot together. The other day I was updating a hobby game I built before she was born, and now she's drawing characters, I'm putting them in the game, and she's loving it. She's done Scratch Jr. Helping her exercise her creativity with the machine is a fresh kind of joy.
@gosha
@electret
We have an approach in our house of "computers are for creating, not consuming" and it's worked really well. Even just setting her up with art programs and the wacom or having her decorate ponies in this old game Paint N Play Pony. And now I can see that she feels powerful with the machine.
For me, I have my personal projects, but coding is also my job. For the kids, they have that original unbogged down spark.
@gosha
@gosha exactly the same situation! Our 2nd is nearly five months old now and the biggest difference is basically the lack of free "doing" time (especially laptop time is totally gone). Free "thinking" time is kinda there though, so yes, I have been planning a myriad of little things (programming language ideas mostly, for some reason), but without *actually* implementing them.
I do enjoy spending my time with my daughter and son though, and I feel I should enjoy that while it lasts...
On top of that, the whole IT world around me has gone bonkers for... well, you know what. So yes, it is a strange time to live in and raise kids.
Which of the top 4 Fediverse server projects will be the first to implement the ActivityPub API?
#EvanPoll #poll #ActivityPub #ActivityPubAPI
| Mastodon: | 191 |
| Pixelfed: | 68 |
| Lemmy: | 19 |
| PeerTube: | 21 |
@evan I don't get it, isn't the point of these four supporting AP?
@golemwire it's OK not to respond to polls about topics you don't understand!
This repo might help a bit.
@golemwire ActivityPub has two main parts; a social API and a federation protocol. All of these platforms support the protocol but not the API (at least, not in read-write form).
@evan Oh!
> Instead, they often implement platform-specific APIs, with a narrow range of functionality. Mastodon, for example, implements the Mastodon API, which focuses primarily on microblogging. Threads implements the Threads API. Many other ActivityPub implementers have APIs that clone the Mastodon API, to make it easier for users to adapt third-party Mastodon clients to their platforms.
That's really cool. Thank you so much for working on stuff like this, it makes a difference (you know :)
MNT Quasar module with Qualcomm QCS6490 now running our Debian System Image on MNT Reform Next
@mntmn so now I’m looking forward to my reform next AND the quasar board for whenever that ships. Would it be after the first next shipments or more 2027 territory? Really cool!
@mntmn Sick! I am playing around with Radxa Q6A (same cpu as far as I know). Great performance - especially single thread. However, not great support for encode and the npu mainline yet. But for laptop yes - homeserver - not so much (yet).
In his latest “Pivot to AI” OpenAI faces cash crunch in 2026 as bills come due, @davidgerard (accurately) says: “#OpenAI works by setting as much money as it can on fire, as fast as possible.”
But I want to know: if we had $200B in, say, $100 notes, and we literally set them on fire:
I gotta think there is someone on the #fediverse with the wherewithal to figure this out. Surely if we boost this, it will nerdsnipe the right person and we will learn the answer.
@paco @davidgerard Former chemist, so a nerd snipe on anything to do with rapid oxidation and other fun material transformations is possible, but I'm going to give it the ol' Fermi problem try first.
A US note (regardless of denomination) is 156x66 mm, or about 0.01 square meter. Let's start by laying them all flat, in a single one-bill layer, to keep things simple. Assuming we're going to burn $100 bills (to maximize our literal cash burn), that's about $10,000 per square meter or 20,000,000 square meters to equal $200B.
This works out to a circular disk of $100 bills about 2523 meters in radius.
Individual bills are thin. They'd burn pretty fast, once lit. If we light the middle of the circle and the flame front expands radially outward by 25 mm (about an inch) per second, that's enough to consume an entire bill (lengthwise) in 6 seconds. Sounds about right, based on how fast thin paper seems to burn. At that rate, it'll take 2523 meters / 0.025 meters/second ~= 100,000 seconds or about 1.15 days to burn the entire disk of flammable currency.
But I suspect that past a certain point, the expanding fire might be hot enough to start igniting things further ahead of the immediate flames, in which case the flame front would expand much faster. Also, you'd likely get some updrafts that would carry burning Benjamins further afield, which would start spot fires in other pars of the gigadollar disk some distance away, each one burning at a similar rate. Spot fires could sharply reduce the total time, easily a factor of 10 or more, especially if they started fairly early on. My Fermi-inspired guess is you're looking at "a few hours, maybe longer if the fire is extremely well-behaved, maybe less if it goes total chaos muppet", to torch things that way.
I don't have a good sense of whether making stacks (more to burn per area, but less area) makes things go faster, and that's a branch of material science I'm not super familiar with, so I'll leave it at that.
@paco @davidgerard @briankrebs it definitely depends also on the sort of currency you burn too. Australian $ are all polymer, not paper. They probably give off noxious fumes when they burn
@paco @davidgerard Depends if you burn them in parallel or not and it depends on the oxigen supply. If you would burn this as one big connected line of paper, you would burn something that would go 7800 times around the world, so that would be a roll almost a meter thick going around earth. If you would burn that in parallel, I am lacking imagination how long it would take.
@paco @davidgerard However, for the fun of it, let us assume that a dollar bill takes 2 minutes to burn. Then burning once around the world would take 975 years!
So burning 7800 times that one after another would take 7.5 million years. So, to put that in perspective, if I can believe my understanding of Wikipedia, 7.5 million years ago Wolves were state of the art, and no-one talked about monkeys.
So yes, if you don't want to burn the money on a heap, it will be slow compared to OpenAI.
@paco @davidgerard And yes, this was just a calculation on a lazy day and I may have made tons of little errors. Somewhen in the middle I had a version that confused minutes and days.
@muellerwhh @paco clearly we'll need an empirical test
I love how much faster my @OpenBSDAms vps is than my previous, Hetzner-hosted one. I wonder why that is? The previous one was in Finland, which is farther from London than Amsterdam, but surely not *that* far to be noticeably slower to respond.
But this is really great. I'm hosting my RSS reader (Miniflux) and it's just a joy to use when it's so snappy. Makes me want to selfhost more stuff. What services do y'all selfhost?
@gosha no idea… that is indeed a little surprising. There lots is things being self-hosted. Mail, DNS, Nextcloud (and others like it), Gemini, etc.
@gosha @OpenBSDAms nice! Also moved my self hosting ingress to OpenBSD Amsterdam last month! I’m currently just running my blog and matrix server.
I’ve got a funky setup but that probably goes with the territory 😅 https://blog.ianwwagner.com/overview-of-my-new-homelab-setup.html
@gosha @OpenBSDAms Self-host all the things ! E-mail (openbsd smtpd, rspamd, dovecot), documents (seafile), caldav & carddav for contacts and events, restic for backups, instant messaging (xmpp & matrix). It's a joy!
because of pricing discussion that pops up sometimes:
imagine a very barebones MNT Reform Next for like 600 EUR, which has the full cnc case, hinges, mainboard, left port board, display, 1 battery pack (of 2), mechanical keyboard, glass trackpad, side panels, and a CM5 processor module adapter, would that be interesting? the idea would be that you could:
- get started with a high quality, real OSHW laptop at a lower price
- add/upgrade parts at your own pace
- bring your own compute module
sort of like this but of course with the missing bezels and trackpad :D
edit: sorry, the main picture was missing
@mntmn do you see a reform mainboard for framework 13 in the future?
@mntmn @khm yeah, right, I'm too old-fashioned. You can also use two eyes on two screens.
Are coming to Berlin on 23rd?
https://2026.oshwa.org/schedule/
@mntmn Definitely! I could see all of that room inside being used for a myriad of devices. SDR dongles come to mind or a hack RF board.
First of all: yes, please and thank you.
Second: how long does a Reform Next last on one battery pack?
Third: are you sure you can produce enough to follow demand if this thing takes off?
@mntmn sounds interesting. Can you turn it around, so what is stripped from current base model? The computer module, one battery pack, anything else?
@rwv what i left out of the calculation (these could all be added in though as options): right-side port board (mainly additional USB and HDMI), second battery pack, intel wifi 6e card, speaker (that one's only a few dollars though)
@mntmn I'd be more likely to move my existing modules between shells and it'd make it easy to right-size my daily carry if the swap is quick. Granted, I have a next on order already but I would be okay with reusing what I have if the Qualcomm chips eventually become an option. If i end up with a spare RK3588 at some point, it'd be ideal for a desktop build.
While I'm not a raspberry pi fan, having a diversified supply for compute is a great option.
@mntmn neat idea; even more if range of compatible ram clocks would be broad. (i admit, i have no clue how does it work now)
@mntmn interested for sure, been eyeing MNT products for a while and it would be a great way to get started.
@mntmn Very very much. 600 euro is way more reasonable for my income to save up for and then get the remaining parts slowly while I save up more
@mntmn That does sound enticing. I'd love to have a MNT laptop, but I can't justify the expense right now, as my current laptop is perfecly functional and I'm still saving for a new one when this one breaks (probably in a few years).
But at €600 I can probably squeeze in the expense and then gradually upgrade when needed.
then you can harvest industrial machines
@khm @moses_izumi new smarc modules are very expensive afaik, is there a common source for cheap second hand ones?
@mntmn I guess it's just about more options when buying? I think it sounds great, maybe keep the speakers but let the user buy with none, one or two batteri kit (0, 4 or 8 cells).
You could strip out a few more things and keep it useful...
Ship without the battery cells, just the battery module, since one of the compelling features is that you can get cells off-the-shelf?
Without the CM5 module? Some folks have old mnt/reform modules collecting dust...
I recall you had a mnt/reform desktop design at one point; how feasible would the MNT Reform Next be to ship without keyboard, trackpad, monitor? With the possibility to add them later? An a la carte option?
@vagrantc hmm yeah that's right. maybe the best idea would be to make a more detailed configurator that starts at the very low end
@mntmn i remember asking myself : if i want to avoid to pay to much VAT, i should buy modules one by one. It could let me buy step by step and will be able to start using it at perhaps 50% of the price 😁
@mntmn I think the biggest thing keeping people who love your machines from jumping in is the price. I was able to convince my lab to buy one for me but otherwise I wouldn't have been able to justify it. For 600 plus a CM5 I could have swung it
@mntmn while I don't mind spending premium on a premium product, a "starter" esition would be a fantastic concept. I think most of us spend money on different processors and other updates anyway, so having a base for lower starting cost is a good idea imho
@mntmn @barebox @ailurux I got a bit curious about what is missing for @barebox' EFI GOP to show the OpenBSD installer, so I gave it a try in QEMU.
With a one-line fix now in barebox master, /dev/ttyC0 outputs to a framebuffer console on top of the barebox-provided GOP, but I don't know how to make it the installer's default.
The alternative that works out-of-the-box, however, is to use a simple-framebuffer node in the DT. Next release will contain documentation: https://github.com/barebox/barebox/blob/master/Documentation/user/booting-openbsd.rst
@a3f @barebox @ailurux while i have your attention: we currently ship uboot on emmc with rk3588 devices. for development and testing, would it be possible to chainload barebox from uboot or uboot spl so that early adopters won't have to risk softbricking their system by erasing uboot on emmc? (rk3588 rom prioritizes emmc before sd card).
@mntmn @barebox @ailurux Sure, barebox (network) booting itself is common for development.
U-Boot is normally unable to parse its BootROM-mandated file format (so it can't chainload itself or a regular barebox image), but barebox can generate an extra Linux- kernel-look-alike image that is bootable e.g. with U-Boot's booti command: https://fosstodon.org/@barebox/115980830870695504
Caveat: Only barebox chainloading barebox is regularly tested. U-Boot may modify global resources (e.g. clock tree) in an unexpected manner.
in reply to »This has always been possible.
For chainloading barebox from other bootloaders, CONFIG_BOARD_GENERIC_DT generates an extra barebox image that doesn't embed any device tree, but looks identical to a Linux kernel and thus can be booted like one from many bootloaders, including U-Boot.
CONFIG_BOARD_GENERIC_FIT takes it a step further and includes it alongside all enabled DTs, so you can target dozens of SoCs and hundreds of boards at once.
Here's the relevant doc: https://www.barebox.org/doc/latest/user/barebox.html#starting-barebox
@mntmn @barebox @ailurux It usually works though as barebox ports most drivers from Linux, but corner cases can happen.
What soft-bricking concern do you have? Is it about the bootloader update in the field (this is possible on RK3588 in a power-fail safe manner!) or is it about the updated bootloader behaving unexpectedly?
If it's the latter, an unexpectedly behaving chainloaded bootloader would still require disassembly to access the serial console, so I don't see the chainloading advantage?
@a3f @barebox @ailurux simply that our build of barebox isn't as stable as uboot yet for rk3588. there can be crashes when trying to load linux depending on the connected usb hardware or hdmi for example. but i should set it up so it will always prefer sd cards so we can have a rescue image for sd cards that people could use to recover.
@mntmn @barebox @ailurux Do the crashes occur during barebox runtime or during kernel startup? In any case, it would be good to know about it upstream.
But yes, I see the utility of U-Boot checking the SD-Card and then loading barebox from eMMC (for now.. ;)
By the way, you (or @josch) may be interested in https://lore.kernel.org/barebox/20260428132811.3691086-1-eagle.alexander923@gmail.com as that might allow you to reuse your existing extlinux.conf setup with barebox as well.
Time for a new #introduction post. Hello! My name is Gosha, and I'm a middle aged dude living in London with my partner and our daughter. My day job is in software building, and I'm interested in many topics, including photography, music, cycling, travel, etc. These days I'm mostly trying to (re)discover new layers of meaning, and to learn to live life as intentionally as I can, making many mistakes in the process.
Here's a picture of my daughter and I taken by my partner, @Tingyi 
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@s@bdx.town
@hi Aw thank you
We had another kid since this intro was written!
@hi
id probably focus first on having the lowest-friction alternative(s) with the most feature parity ready to go with an explanation of how to do so - people are way less likely to be willing to make a change without a known, solid alternative that doesn't seem like the world's biggest pain to switch to
today @holo_memory and i launched 3 new MNT Pocket Reform related products on the shop, check them out:
- Pocket Reform Mainboard 2.0 with lots of little goodies incl. USB-C DisplayPort alt-mode and closed-case debugging via USB-C https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-mainboard-2-0
- the improved Pocket Keyboard PCB 2.0 with a "bring your own switches" option and new browns (tactile) switches option https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-keyboard-pcb-2-0
- Pocket Keyboard USB-C adapter (for recovery/programming or standalone use) https://shop.mntre.com/products/mnt-pocket-reform-keyboard-usb-c-adapter
so cool! will this go into all unshipped pockets or just ones ordered now?
@lislegaard @holo_memory good question which i'm not perfectly prepared for today, other than there are cutoff dates in the backlog that we'll know better in the coming days, depending on stock levels of the previous versions
@mntmn @holo_memory Oh whoa I didn't realize these were all so close to being ready! :D
Now to decide if I want to get super custom with the keyboard switches...
doing some MNT Reform Next production part checks, esp. cables and some PCBs... can't believe it's starting to come together after those years
@mntmn super fascinating to follow!
Is there or will there be an option for a mobile LTE/5G modem for the MNT Reform Next? Sorry in case it's already answered and I missed it somehow 🫣
@mntmn this is exciting! My intent has been to buy a Reform Next with the Quasar module when it's available. Do you have advice on how to time that? Should I order a current gen Next and the module separately, or are you planning to eventually do a crowd supply for the two together?
@ryanprior i recommend to order the current gen next first, the quasar will take a while to launch+ship (could be 5-6 months)
@mntmn any chance I could work for you doing some assembly and testing? You know the climate up here in the nordics puts unique stress on this kind of stuff and uh… No, I’m just making stuff up, I just want one 😊 Looks awesome!
@mrmasterkeyboard looks good. What are you going for?
@felipe well, it's for the anti-AI VIm fork I work on. Me and Reiddragon from the IRC channel who helps to maintain EVi decided someone should make a logo for EVi for the .desktop files and stuff. I used an SVG of the VIm logo and took it apart and regrouped in it Inkscape and did made changes to it to turn it into something new!
If things go well, you should see it at https://codeberg.org/evi-editor/evi eventually or maybe in a different form than you see here.
I've added easily customizable color theme support to Cucumber. Simply edit the settings.ini file on the SD card and define your color theme!
This LCD doesn't capture well on camera, but here's the Solarized "dark" theme ported over.
More details are on the project page: https://github.com/TangentDelta/cardputer-uxn
RE: https://mastodon.social/@Blender/116482997785333001
And related to this, #Blender already has Claude slop commits.
It's all fucked, Blender went dark.
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/336b5d0de12a438614846961b7961bbf35399eb3
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/79e02e1405a98884cc8fd5505cc54df2c2dc5d21
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/7ee94c067cf71845727672ed77dc25f088cd5b32
Not to mention one user has specifically admitted to using AI code review for commits that are in Blender's codebase.
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/b80b3e040dd3ac979e97540b4bb0f18a1c5ad021
https://github.com/blender/blender/commit/eaadb0c3043288d78b897b15bcc8d336c749de15
#NoAI #FuckAI #AntiAI #Tech #Technology #Animation #3DAnimation #Claude
zuggamasta boostedWelcome Anthropic as a Corporate Patron sponsor of the Blender Foundation’s Development Fund! This support will be dedicated towards general Blender core development. More details at https://www.blender.org/press/anthropic-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-corporate-patron/
@DBG3D @tonroosendaal Unfortunately, Ton doesn't control the Blender Foundation anymore it seems.
https://www.blender.org/press/blender-foundation-announces-new-board-and-executive-director/
@mrmasterkeyboard @tonroosendaal
I know, but I think he reserved a special status in it.
@DBG3D @tonroosendaal Yeah, it seems like he is on the Supervisory board?
In that case, this was probably ran past him and he approved it or something...
@mrmasterkeyboard @tonroosendaal
I hope he was not involved and is a decision of the new board.
If he was it will be a terrible disappointment.
my goal for this post is now to ratio THE FUCK out of the blender
@mrmasterkeyboard it is done 97/92 boosts.
@mrmasterkeyboard If you stop using products which were implemented with the help of AI you probably won't be able to use any software at all.
Even the policy for the Linux kernel allows the usage of AI tools: https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-and-maintainers-finalize-ai-policy-for-linux-kernel-developers/.
I'm saying that as someone who does not use and is against generative AI.
@chikl I get that, sometimes we have to make do. The main point here to call out the Blender Foundation and have them do something. The same should be done elsewhere.
So you "called out" this Free Software that you presumably use... what are you going to say to them exactly?
"I am deeply troubled that you guys might have more time with your families or sleeping if you use coding assists!", or "Hell no I am not going to write that code manually and contribute it. I just want to see you suffering doing it manually."
"Somebody used AI to review a contribution they didn't even ask for? String 'em up!"
@hopeless @chikl Don’t argue with me over this. AI is a fascist tech, AI companies are fascist companies, Blender took money from them. They rely on stealing the work of millions of people to operate which is highly unethical and immoral to do so.
If they want more time to do other things, don’t constantly spend all of your time contributing to things. Take a break. It seems you forgot that we still have free will.
> Don’t argue with me over this.
"AI is fascist tech"
"fascist companies"
"stealing"
"unethical"
"immoral"
If you want to argue, you have to produce argumentation, not slogans.
Github is mainly full of liberally-licensed software (that's why the sources are just sitting there) with licenses that don't disallow AI use for learning.
Anyway have a nice day.
@mrmasterkeyboard - open-source software and corporate sponsorship should be an oxymoron. I wish we lived in a world where making cool computer software was just supported by the public and free of the clutches of MEGACORPS
@mrmasterkeyboard fuck fuck fuck it's exhausting.
@f4grx I'm sick of it too, but the only way forward is resistance and complaining.
My advice to everyone, not only you, would be these words.
"What ever happens next, do not comply."
Fighting is the only way out.
@mrmasterkeyboard I WILL FUCKING NEVER COMPLY
@f4grx Compliance is to back down to fascist tech, companies and governments. Never will we back down, we will fight until we die and we will do so relentlessly.
FUCK ALL FASCISTS!!!
@mrmasterkeyboard (I managed to build evi without any problem, using that starting from now, thank you so much)
Good job on the rebranding, this is not so easy.
@f4grx Thanks, but I also couldn't do it with out the help of @ reiddragon @fedi.catto.garden and @ dreamos82 @mastodon.world who have been helping me with EVi since its beginning and are the other 2 maintainers of the project.
> the only way forward is resistance and complaining
Also consider forking and writing own (possibly simpler) software with natural intelligence in use
Remember the history of XFree86:
- it was a widely used display server on the x86 machines
- main dev decided to change the license, without asking the rest of the community
- People became angry and the display server was forked
- XFree86 died and fork became the #1 display server on the x86 
@mrmasterkeyboard @f4grx Yes, of course, but I think if people really need non-slop opensource 3D modelling software, then the contributors will participate in such project, sooner or later.
As we speak in Russia: "It is not a gods who make the pots" (Не боги горшки обжигают) — which means that usual people could make something, even if it looks like not an easy thing — it is not required to be a genius with tons of degrees and scientific papers to make something.
> Project Anchorage (anti-slop initiative on Codeberg), and many more.)
Sound interesting, can you share a link to it?
@evgandr @f4grx Sure! There's not much on the org other than mostly empty stuff, I've been looking for more peeps to recruit on especially after a friend disappeared out of nowhere.
https://codeberg.org/ProjectAnchorage
Also, @projectanchorage
So far, I've been working on Echium... which originally would have been a from scratch kernel but I've deciding using an old UNIX or BSD kernel and forking that would be better for it.
@mrmasterkeyboard although your concern is warranted I think it’s exaggerated to say that blender went dark because they are using AI for assistance. The commits you mentioned are not solely commuted buy AI rather have human supervision. Or am I wrong?
@mrmasterkeyboard
People seem unable to help themselves. Terrible #AISlop is ending up everywhere, like nano plastics are polluting our world.
@mrmasterkeyboard Dear @tonroosendaal , please reconsider. The machine learning industry is highly toxic to global society, it's built on mass approproation of intellectual property. I think ends don't justify the means. Please don't taint the labor of love with this.
Thank you for giving us Blender.
@mrmasterkeyboard at least they get some money. I don't think the slop commits have to do with this news, that's more like the decisions of the developers by themselves.
@mrmasterkeyboard i payed when there was a crowdfunding happening to make sure the blender code would be released as free software, in the early 2000's iirc. can i now get my money back...? ;-P
@mrmasterkeyboard God damn. Imagine having to debug AI slop in C++ of all things! That way lies madness.
Was looking at the digital audio in Another World (aka Out of This World) and found it pretty fascinating.
The game has an all-digital soundtrack and supports digital playback on SoundBlaster, AdLib(!), and PC Speaker(!) I was curious to see how it manages to do digital sound across all these devices and came away pretty impressed.
For SoundBlaster it's straightforward, since the SB supports digital audio directly. However, the way the game runs the audio is unusual: it configures the PIT to generate 10,000 interrupts/second, and manually feeds a single 8-bit sample to the SB on each interrupt, rather than using PC's DMA controller to send data like almost every other game.
For PC Speaker, it uses a similar technique. But since the PC speaker is essentially a 1-bit DAC, it can't just feed an 8-bit sample to it. Instead, it changes the timer connected to the speaker, which is normally in "square wave" mode, to run instead in "one shot" mode. This means whenever a new timer count is written, the timer drives the speaker low until the count is expired, then the timer goes high again and remains there. By programming different values, the game essentially does pulse-width modulation at 10kHz to produce surprisingly reasonable digital sound.
For the AdLib, which is an FM-only chip, it uses a clever hack. It programs one channel for playback with instant attack and forever sustain, and starts a note playing. Then, almost immediately afterwards, it changes the note's frequency to 0, which causes the phase counter to stop counting and essentially locks the channel's output to whatever position within the sine wave it was when the frequency was nullified. With proper timing, it will be near its peak. At this point, the game can alter the channel's "total level" (aka volume) and change the magnitude of the locked output, basically making it into a DAC. The total level is only 6 bits, so it's lower fidelity than the SoundBlaster, but still sounds pretty decent.
@aaronsgiles AFAIK this is the first time anyone has taken the time to understand the PC version’s sampled playback. I grew up with both AW and an AdLib as a kid, and i *never* understood how it was the only game i owned that could play back samples instead of FM
(i had several pc speaker-only games that had sampled playback, so oddly, that carried little mystery to me - ha)
@vga256 @aaronsgiles Yeah, the PC Speaker technique seems to have been pretty widely well-known; a bunch of my games from the early 90s had it as an option.
I don't get all the hype, I've been a prompting engineer for 40 years!
I got tired of losing my own reference photos, and I really didn’t want to lock them all in the cloud
So I built Sortie! A local-first gallery manager ദ്ദി(˵ •̀ ᴗ - ˵ ) ✧ Pinterest-style layout, natural language search, tons of filters, and you can pull new images from Pinterest without an account and without ads.
Free on Windows / macOS / Linux: https://nighten.itch.io/sortie
@NIGHTEN@hi.nighten.fr
Ooooooohmygodthankyou
@NIGHTEN Oh this looks so useful!!
@NIGHTEN don't use genAI please 😞
@NIGHTEN you don't consider Sortie to be your art?
@spiralhalo No not really! Its value is mostly in whether it’s useful or not, if it meets the spec; which is really the opposite of how I see my art.
1/2
Apple in 2007: here’s 400 videos playing at the same time, with interactive search and real-time animations (via https://t.me/ilyabirman_channel/12350)
2/2
Apple in 2026:
@nikitonsky Yeah. Software wise it went all to shit. Can’t put my finger on it but I’d say cost cutting for LLM gains
@nikitonsky best part: the fastest supercomputer of this time is not so much faster than actual hardware on our desktops. 😌
@nikitonsky faster on my MB Pro 2021 M1, but it's Liquid Ass slowing stuff down and it really needs to be killed with fire
@nikitonsky
This is the difference between treating your software as a key competitive advantage (Jobs era) vs. treating it as a cost center to be minimized (Cook era).
@nikitonsky Yep. I just grabbed an M4 Mac again so I could go back to Sequoia. I can't do anymore Tahoe at this point. This kinds of crap is everywhere in Tahoe.
@nikitonsky @siracusa I’m not a big “What would Steve do?” guy (in part because he implored us not to be), but he would definitely have been the human shield to protect us from Tahoe if that’s what it took. Such a shame.
Putting all my faith in Ternus & Lemay for a rapid response to the worst of this nonsense.
@nikitonsky And people keep asking me why I keep going back to older frameworks (UIKit, Core Data, etc.). You could get real performance while doing amazing things with those frameworks while the modern SwiftUI List slows to a crawl after 100-200 items for mysterious reasons.
And that was before Liquid Glass.
@nikitonsky The 2007 Seadragon demo was mind blowing, and it went away and never came back.
@nikitonsky I’ve the 17 pro iPhone and very frequently I’ll open settings.app and the menu icons will take a second to fill. What the hell.
@nikitonsky Resizing the windows of some of the new Tahoe apps (Contacts, Phone, Messages, etc.) is slow and drops frames on my 14” M1 MacBook Pro. Sure, it’s not brand new anymore, but it’s still faster than *every Intel Mac ever made*. Come on!
@nikitonsky For an even stronger effect: open the custom color popover, and *slide* the slider. This creates dozen of color updates, which are queued, and so the preview icons will keep changing colors for *minutes *
@nikitonsky I'm all for dunking on Apple but "loading 40 icons is much harder to do than playing 400 videos" is just one of those things that seem crazy from a "normal person perspective" but make perfect sense from the inside
@valpackett I am from the industry and no, it doesn’t sound all that crazy. I am familiar with the excuses people usually make about those kind of things, but no, if anyone really wanted and cared, that shit would work in less than 1 frame on 120 Hz display. Besides, you don’t even need to load 40 icons. They are already loaded!
@nikitonsky I regularly marvel at having the fastest phone Apple has ever made and having to wait as Home Screen icons composite. Such a waste.
@nikitonsky It looks impressive but I can see it's really just 40 long looping gifs tiled 10 times onto primitives. It wouldn't be terribly difficult to do this kind of thing on modern hardware. That would require passion and dedication to a craft but I can see that the modern OS is not living it's best life.
@Smohc_Stahc Nobody says we can’t do it anymore. The problem is we are not doing. We can, but we don’t
@nikitonsky like this was fucking 2007 where real people still had XP on their machines...
this was such a massive "guys, computers can also look really cool you know"
This feels wise for the #EU:
“We don't need a "European [add US social media platform]" – that would be just a different kind of centralised trap – we need a commitment to open protocols for our digital infrastructure. By moving our digital hangouts and town squares to decentralised protocols we ensure that no single entity – be it either governments and/or a volatile billionaires – can pull the plug on our democratic discourse and… 🧵 1/2
Worth consideration with or without the European theme, of course.
The concluding sentence in bold:
> "The Future of Europe and the Web is Federated. Are you ready to join the it?"
I hope increasingly more people are ready to join the it.
@Starfia @tchambers already waiting for the Canadians to join the EU :)
Rather a different question. (Not to mention a bit of a geographical and nomenclatural dilemma.)
Why Canadians?
@Starfia in the light of recent politics in the US, and culturally a good match anyway ("thank you for not shooting me" :)
@wec huh, which 3172 model is it? i'm a bit curious about the B&T card and how they are driving it
@wec i'm wondering how similar the B&T card is to the one that is paired with the P/370 (the channel card option).
@wec how different are the capabilities of the mainframe side ports of the cards of the various PC side bus interfaces?
E.G. how different are the various B&T cards; ISA, MCA, vs PCI?
@wec interesting. i wonder if it would be possible to modify the software running on the PS/2 side to talk to some 370 peripherals (tape unit controller, etc)
@wec do you need the 370 or 390 CPU card to do that?
@wec
I'm not sure whether that is bigger than the DEC NIA10 used in the DECsystem-10 and DECSYSTEM-20 (PDP-10 KL10 CPU), but it's much prettier. The NIA was an ugly box that mounted inside the cabinet (but not traditional rack-mount), cabled to modules that installed in the I/O backplane in place of two RH20 channels. It had an AUI interface, usually to a DEC H4000 vampire tap transceiver.
@wec does it support 3 Mb/s coax, like the DELNI?
When initially wiring the Caltech CS department for Ethernet, they sent a hapless, small undergraduate through the ceilings and crawl spaces dragging heavy coax behind him. Pretty sure at the time, no asbestos remediation had been done or contemplated.
Since we moved from city to rural land, to a house where the bathroom and kitchen are outside, my boy observed: “This year there are way more full moons.”
/me: was you day productive?
/also_me: define productive!
@joel ooh, what's that mixer? The only dock-app I run in fluxbox is wmnet(1) to graph network traffic. I used to have a couple other,s (volume and something) but found I never used them favoring keyboard-driven stuff, so I just stopped invoking them to free up resources.
@gumnos it’s the modified Mixer.app that I posted yesterday. It’s not 100% perfect but it seems to work. I also use keybindings to do things. But I like to keep an eye on current settings.
This is so cool. For their graduate thesis, writer & crafter, Alanna Okun made a game about knitting and hand knitted an arcade console to put it in.
The game: https://alannabean.itch.io/loose-ends
More info: http://www.alannaokun.xyz/
Been playing with the Acme editor from #plan9port. Very much out of my comfort zone (vi-like editors) but so far I quite like it. My goal is to install #9front on my old Thinkpad T430 and use it for writing in my bedroom once I've properly gotten to grips with the editor. Seems like a solid choice of OS for reducing distractions and I find a lot of the ideas behind #plan9 really appealing.
General use daily driver is – and will remain – #openbsd, of course.
i like a lot about #9front, but i'm afraid of mice...
Some folks prefer the trackpoint over everything so much that I'm wondering if I'm missing a TrackPoint-enjoyment gene, like folks who can't smell asparagus. 😂
I do prefer it to the trackpad for incidental use, only because it's harder to trigger accidentally.
But yeah, the trackball on the MNT Reform made me swoon with nostalgic ecstacy. 🤣
I'd buy one just for that if I had the dough.
@afb How did you do for you? I looked at Acme a bit and it seems to use the mouse intensely. i'm mainly a Vim user myself and what I like about it is the fact I don't need a mouse. I like keyboard centric approach because the switching between mouse and keyboard tires my brain fast.
Any feedback regarding that?
@irrlicht Yeah it's taking some getting used to. Having three buttons plus the trackpoint on my ThinkPad is good, optical USB mouse feels a bit clunky. I'm barely moving my hands with the trackpoint so it feels like much less of a context switch.
@hi gcam is absolutely worth it, especially on a Pixel phone, you basically get the original camera features back without the faff.
(I'm on a Fairphone 6 now which has its own streamlined camera app so I don't need Gcam anywhere but on my Pixel 5 it was one of the flagship things that made me feel like I'm not trading off much for running a "degoogled" OS in terms of being able to use the hardware I have paid for...)
i kind of like the simplicity of the default camera app on #grapheneos and so i decided to stick to default one for awhile
@hi 0.94 gb? Since when?
I think it could probably be a fork. Use the groovy underpinnings but re-work the GUI.
Or just develop cool TUIs for use with vt(1)???
Watching experienced users on YT somewhat fumble with all of the complex mouse movements is a little painful, but I'm trying to see it for what it is: an alternative, experimental OS, and learn from the process of playing with it.
I try not to boot into my 9front vm unless I have a real mouse with me. It's just too annoying with the trackpad or touchpoint. XD
Especially without working palm recognition, woof!
But in all, it feels like it's potentially much more flexible and malleable than Linux, and you could probably do a lot to modify it without even really breaking a sweat.
It's a far cry from the my-way-or-the-highway attitudes from the systemd and Gnome guys.
(I mean, in fairness, if you complain to the 9front devs about the GUI being weird, or different, or whatever, they're likely to tell you to blow it out your ear, but the system itself isn't trying to force you to use it a certain way XD )
keyboard-driven mouse works better if you have diagonals too, so I recommend nethack keys (vi + y/u/b/n for diagonals 😆)
“but how would you know what the IP address was, grandad?”
“well, that’s the thing, it didn’t have one.”
“oh, so how would you update the firmware then?”
“it had none. it was just a tea kettle.”
“woah.”
@SecureOwl The philosophical question of the future that will take over that well worn trope about trees falling in woods:
"If something/someone has not been assigned an IP address does it truly exist?"
🆕 EU Longest Train Journey 🆕
Kemijärvi 🇫🇮 - Lagos 🇵🇹
🦅 Geodesic: 4088.33km
🛤️ Route-km: 6251.5km
⏱️Trip time: 87 hours 29 minutes
🚆Trains: 16
💶 Cost: around €400, with Interrail
All mapped and explained here 👇
https://eulongesttrainjourney.jonworth.eu
Guess leaving the winter tires on the car for a bit longer was the right decision
@hi apparently it really likes us and hates most of the south/west 😅
Rate my counterculture* computer corner
*the computer is passively cooled and fully powered off of solar. It is actually repurposed from the components of my first homelab build (cca 2021), it sports a 8-core/16 thread Ryzen 5 and 64GB(!!) of DDR4 ECC RAM which I did not dare to look up what you'd have to pay for today (I got the two 32G modules around 200€ each, a bit pricy even then, as these are server/workstation-grade sticks).
By turning off PBO ("turbo") I still get plenty of perf out of the CPU (~10K multi-core Geekbench 6) while making sure the passive copper heatsink doesn't break a sweat. This also helps keep peak power draw at bay (65W measured absolute peak), which meant that I could power the whole thing off a 80W wide-input PicoPSU and completely avoid the AC power brick — it is directly hooked into my 24V battery pack via the solar charger. I am in fact also replacing the (odd, 19V) power brick of the monitor with a similar setup using a voltage regulator.
So sustainable efficiency, 🖕 massive data centers.
@flaki I would never even have thought to run a Ryzen system that way. My current desktop has two CPU fans, a fan on the GPU, one on the PSU, and four on the case!
@duncan_bayne tbf this is a 5750GE with a 35W target TDP, this APU is intended for stuff like those Lenovo miniPCs :)
A new UNIX snapshot from 1977 to be released soon!!!
We've recovered another UNIX distribution that hasn't been seen in almost 50 years!
This is UNIX Program Generic Issue 3 from 1977-04-12. It descends from V6 and evolved into System III. We thought it didn't survive, but it turned up in some tapes @bitsavers read yesterday!
You can run it in SIMH with scripts I wrote, browse the sources in the Unix Tree (thanks Warren!) or from a tar, or read the Program Generic documentation (thanks Matt!).
On the topic of software enshittification and AI upsell: I'm used to Chrome doing vile Google stuff, I'm used to stupid paid bookmarks in Firefox, but I'm scared by what Firefox has became. I run Debian-oldstable, OpenBSD and NetBSD, and in all of them Firefox has clickbait links in new tabs and "AI search" and the likes. The one shipped with Debian also spooked me with "Chat with this tab". How did we end up here 🥲
Edit: yes, by all means, use good forks, and encourage others to use good forks, but don't forget that most people won't use a fork, and thus it is important to keep pushing for upstream to be good and ethical
@nina_kali_nina The thing is, despite all of that, Firefox is still the best browser. That's honestly the saddest part of all. Everything else has gotten _so much worse_ that *being able to disable AI integration* (which you can do in Firefox) is somehow the best option.
@chiraag@mastodon.online @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt there is also an option called firefox forks
@librewolf@chaos.social being the most based of them
@witix @chiraag @librewolf nod nod, I'm mostly on LibreWolf myself, but it requires more than two clicks to install on obscure systems, so I felt like installing Firefox to look up a thing is not going to hurt me much. I was wrong lol
But also, if IT folks are out of options, everyone else is cooked, getting used to whatever google gives them as a browser :(
@feeblu @librewolf @chiraag @witix on some OSes, yes. It is still made mostly by a single person, and very niche.
@nina_kali_nina @feeblu @librewolf @chiraag @witix At least LibreWolf offers ARM 64 Linux builds that run on this Raspberry Pi 5 and my PinePhones.
As, of course do Vivaldi and Firefox.
@nina_kali_nina I've switched from stock Firefox to Zen on desktop and F-droid Fennec on Android. All the old perks of Firefox, without ads and AI-shit.
@hi there's a NetBSD port as well. But it takes a bit of effort to build from sources; I don't think there are binaries just yet. It is still quite upsetting that upstream is not great
@lanodan 🤔 is it still alright?
@lanodan @nina_kali_nina historically there have port maintainers doing the needed fixups to keep @WebKitGTK working on the BSDs, and at some point we were even getting some patches upstreamed—but not lately, despite me trying to have those reviewed and applied. I think the review process felt a bit like a drag at times, and WebKit can be slow to work with given that it's a big codebase. Sometimes I do a small sweep of the ports trees to try and pick “upstreamable” fixes, but sadly my spare time for those things is limited. We could use a BSD person helping out with this.
@lanodan @nina_kali_nina also, sure I can install and use BSDs, but I need Linux for work and it wouldn't be practical for me to even dual boot my buildbox, and last time I tried with qemu things were a bit clunky and one couldn't test hardware acceleration. Sorry.
@lanodan @nina_kali_nina maybe no user-facing AI integration, but some webkit developers are using AI assisted tooling. So if you want to avoid that as well, you will have to pick another web engine...
I think that leaves NetSurf, maybe Dillo and Servo? Probably a much larger downgrade than replacing Linux with BSD, actually?
@pulkomandy @lanodan Servo is quite impressive, I think I can daily drive it. Haven't tried to build it on BSD yet. Netsurf is neat too, but as you say, too many websites are broken
@nina_kali_nina I think if foundations and non-profits apply standard growth models that apply to businesses, which I think is the non-evil - at least initially - justification, that is why. It can be slow and steady or faster and enshittified. Although, that's not tacit approval on my part, and I think there is a grey area in the middle, & exceptions, but "it works. How can we maintain/grow/promote" is how it starts.
@nina_kali_nina At least Firefox has now added a kill switch: https://www.malwarebytes.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2026/02/Firefox_settings.png
@nina_kali_nina There is an option in Firefox to make new windows and tabs simply empty. It's in about:preferences > Home > New windows and tabs.I haven't seen sponsored links or whatever in years.
@rhialto believe me or not, I know about this option. :) but 99% of installs are by people who will never ever find it, I bet
@nina_kali_nina @rhialto yeah I figured it was just a new part of everything sucking and only went looking after realizing people walking by my desk might not realize it was enshittification stuff and think i was actually interested in looking at click bait garbage headlines and pictures of trump
A progress report on my "Migrate from MacBook to Net?Open?BSD" mini-project.
Are we there yet? No. Were important lessons learned? Yes!
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@nina_kali_nina First time I've heard of PowerTab, is it any good? Only thing I've ever used is Guitar Pro.
@woe2you I haven't used it before this day; I've been using TuxGuitar, but I gave up on making it work under NetBSD. It seems PowerTab is legit, but I couldn't open some gp3-gp5 files with it, unfortunately.
@nina_kali_nina Thanks for taking the time to answer this tangent for me, I know it wasn't your main focus.
@woe2you Ah, no probs! Note that neither Tux Guitar nor PowerTab use GuitarPro's "Real Sound Engine", so they sound as MIDI as your MIDI sequencer/soundfont.
@nina_kali_nina I'm trying to get back into guitar after many years, I remember when GP was pure MIDI so that's no downside.
A-ha one: choosing a laptop based on what operating system you want to run on it is not wrong.
Reasoning: I got so used to Linux running on most, if not all, laptops that "oh, NetBSD doesn't support this hardware" made me feel feelings.
The feelings were familiar, because I've been there with Linux some ten+ years ago.
Reflecting on those feelings, I noticed that people generally have no issue with buying a specific subset of laptop models if they plan to run Mac OS, or specific make of phones if they intend to run Graphene OS and such. If this is fine, then picking laptop specs for NetBSD is a given. If anything, there are more devices that can run NetBSD than there are devices that can run Mac OS.
Over the last 2 years I have bought 1 asus gaming laptop, 1asus gaming desktop, and then last week I bought an acer 14" laptop for my day tripper computer.
The first thing I did each and everytime when I got them home was install Linux and remove any traces of microslop.
All 3 of them work flawlessly.
My old laptop that just died had been running Linux Mint since 2012.
@nina_kali_nina I've never used it but isn't NetBSD the one with the slogan "of course it runs NetBSD"? I guess that dates from an era with a lot more diversity of processors and fewer cameras, power controllers, track pads, wireless cards that need drivers
@lydiafacts "of course it runs NetBSD" is generally true. I run NetBSD on my Macintosh Classic II. But there's a world of difference between "I have ksh" and "latest Firefox can play 4K video at 60 fps over 5GHz WiFi"
@nina_kali_nina and I guess more generally, it supports a diversity of the kind of hardware you have in a server or a router than what you have in a typical laptop
A-ha two: it is important to see beyond the "project branding"
A few days ago I got really frustrated by hardware virtualisation crashing the guest OS while running under NetBSD. "Oh COME ON, the NetBSD project should've done a better job at implementing their hypervisor; I have no issues whatsoever with KVM under Linux on the same laptop", I thought at first.
And then I ended up on a homepage of nvmm, NetBSD's hypervisor. It reads:
> Six months ago, I told myself I would write a small hypervisor for an old x86 AMD CPU I had. Just to learn more about virtualization, and see how far I could go alone on my spare time.
So, yeah, it is provided by "The NetBSD project", but is mostly results of a work of a single person.
And this changes everything, it's not "yikes, such a buggy thing, this corporation could've done better", it's "wow this person is legendary, I sure can work around my own limitations to leverage the results of their work, lots of respect".
A quick summary of the OSes I have on my laptop now, as a checklist:
-- Debian 12 "Bookworm"
[+] Graphical desktop (XFCE my beloved)
[+] WiFi
[+] Accelerated video (smooth scrolling and 60fps video)
[+] Graphics software (Krita, GNU IMP)
[+] Music software - DAW (LMMS)
[+] Music software - guitar (TuxGuitar, PowerTab)
[+] Emulation (can run DOS 1.0-Windows 10, very fast)
[+] Wine
Very stable, can do everything I need.
-- OpenBSD 7.9
[+] Desktop
[+] WiFi
[+] Accelerated video
[+] Krita, graphic tablet support
[+] LMMS
[ ] No guitar soft :(
[±] No Windows emulation beyond DosBox
[ ] No wine
-- NetBSD 11
"-" means unstable to the point of being unusable
[+] Desktop - the same XFCE
[±] WiFi
[ ] Accelerated video
[+] Krita
[+] LMMS
[-] Guitar soft
[±] Emulation (either unstable or slow)
[±] Wine (unstable)
So far, OpenBSD has been the most stable of the three, but it is impossible to make emulation working in it. NetBSD is promising, and it is a rewarding learning experience, but I can't daily-drive it yet
Some people actually asked me: "Hold on, why won't you just use Debian, if everything works on it?"
I'm migrating from MacOS 14, the latest MacOS without AI. It is still receiving updates, and it probably will be fine/safe to use for another year. If the push comes to shove, I can update to MacOS 15 and get one extra year of support of software that is generally pre-genAI.
Debian Bookworm, the latest pre-major-genAI release, will get its last major update in June 2026, and will stop receiving LTS in June 2028.
In other words, if my reason for this move is "according to who there is no level of exposure to genai", then swapping from MacOS to Debian doesn't actually give me more time before the support for the last "safe-ish" version is dropped.
So, might as well bite the bullet now and go to BSDs. And it is increasingly looking like I might be able to get away with it without losing anything important to me in terms of computer functionality.
@nina_kali_nina I like how you are approaching this - I'm on a similar path...Debian 13 is comfortable, I don't have to abandon it to plan a transition to the BSD's (in my case, I'm looking at NetBSD for the most part right now)
@scott yep, I hold hopes for NetBSD, too. From what I read, FreeBSD might be quite usable in my situation, and it seems to be less gung-ho on AI than Linux
@nina_kali_nina NetBSD appeal deeply to me because it's so small, and the "small town" size you noted in relation to NVMM where it's people contributing, not huge corpos.
The flip side for me is like 85% or more of BSD users are on FreeBSD - it would probably be a _lot_ easier daily driving in that space, I suspect.
The idea of rolling up my sleeves and actually contributing a port when needed to NetBSD is also tantalizing tho - maybe I don't need everything handed to me in a package.
@scott FreeBSD, unfortunately, explicitly allows AI slop. This, and they seem to support Xlibre, which I consider a bad move. Otherwise it'd be a no-brainer.
Every now and then I think I should just move to Potato[1] or disconnect from the internet forever and just keep using what I always used, so I can stop being worried about software vulnerabilities affecting me.
@nina_kali_nina @scott You know that there is still (Gentoo) Hurd.. 😉
@nina_kali_nina Why no FreeBSD?
@metalmartijn I'd ditch Debian for an old FreeBSD. Current FreeBSD explicitly allows AI-generated contributions.
@nina_kali_nina According to open-slopware, OpenBSD has a permissive AI policy. It's getting very hard to find an untainted OS. :(
@Retrograde my understanding is that OpenBSD doesn't have a permissive AI policy, but they do accept upstream patches made with AI (tmux) or AI-assisted bug reports (librcypto and kernel).
In this aspect, NetBSD is far better, yes.
@nina_kali_nina wait, is there something that passed me? What are you talking about Debian and ai?
I mean don't really follow Debian that closely because I use kubuntu with some extra repos so I don't have to use snap, but Debian going some involuntary ai use path would be something I think I would have heard about.
@mortentorten First, Linux kernel itself has permissive AI policy. Second, systemd has permissive AI policy. Major libraries, like chardet, are being completely slopcoded, while major software projects like Python or LLVM have permissive AI policies. Debian is based on all of them. On top of that, they have debian-ai/deeplearning team (with AI-generated logos) that provides things like python-openai and DebGPT - "General Purpose Terminal LLM Tool with Some Debian-Specific Design" - https://salsa.debian.org/deeplearning-team/debgpt
Trixie comes with all these "improvements", Bookworm was spared.
@nina_kali_nina apparently alpine is strictly no-ai; but again its musl-based so using 3rd party precompiled software is going to be annoying without virtualization.
@zardoz03 there are others, more vocal, but it doesn't matter enough because the kernel and systemd are tainted
A friend just asked me a few more questions about the reasons I decided to try and move to *BSD, given that these systems are, generally, far less polished than Linux, and do not support as many packages/programs. I vaguely gestured at the situatuion with genAI/LLM uprooting the trust in the Linux kernel, core system components and so on. She wasn't convinced; AI is everywhere these days, and avoiding it is a lot like trying to avoid other unethical things: very hard and probably will affect your quality of life.
And I get it. The situation is actually quite similar with "just install Linux": running Windows is bad, and for many people, moving to Linux (or BSD) is impossible. But there are _also_ many people who don't know they could run Linux - sometimes with more comfort than their obsolete and buggy Windows.
So I want to try and run *BSD and share how it feels, and maybe this way I could remove a few roadblocks for others. Ultimately, I just want to feel better about my computing habits.
@nina_kali_nina I wish you luck. Since moving my servers to FreeBSD I’ve been much happier. For desktop/laptop it will really matter a lot what specific hardware you use. The community has been super helpful too when I’ve had questions. If it helps, some of my notes: https://markmcb.com/freebsd/vs_linux/
Just as an FYI, FreeBSD and MidnightBSD are pro-slop, OpenBSD contains slop in base (via tmux) and has no anti-LLM policy, and NetBSD's anti-LLM policy is effectively a sham allowing them to commit LLM generated content at will.
"Code generated by a large language model or similar technology, such as GitHub/Microsoft's Copilot, OpenAI's ChatGPT, or Facebook/Meta's Code Llama, is presumed to be tainted code, and must not be committed without prior written approval by core." -- https://www.netbsd.org/developers/commit-guidelines.html
Note the last sentence: "must not be committed without prior written approval by core."
I certainly won't argue against learning NetBSD, but I also wouldn't count it as a viable last refuge.
You can look at https://fedi.tcp80.org/@be0ba/statuses/01KQ2WEK701RGDX7BKBB2RGH3P if you're interested in my reasoning to avoid depending on NetBSD.
@be0ba with smaller systems, like OpenBSD or NetBSD, I at least can imagine supporting a fork that mirrors security improvements from the upstream, if the need arises. I really wish there was a better alternative, but I am not aware of any. I guess could try MirBSD or plan9 🤔
@nina_kali_nina BTW, I recommend to do your own investigation and check commits, repositories, and maillists by yourself, when it comes to claims about some #BSD is now SlopBSD
E.g. claim that #OpenBSD is slop usually going from misunderstanding that it developed as a single system, not a mix of various software — so when developers incorporate latest tmux fixes (like this: https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/9c2b8e445a0bdfafdd6148b1760f00aa5429627b) to the OpenBSD source tree, the vibe-coded commit from tmux repo passed by unnoticed.
Also note this: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&r=1&s=llm&q=b&w=1 — looks like the discussion about tmux is happening RN
I suppose this happens because of minimization of maintainers' necessary work to release new #BSD version not in the next century
as described here: https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@TomAoki/114209804382234562
Also note, if you are using small-hack/openslopware repo, what these badges on the tables not reliable as a single source of truth. E.g. #FreeBSD is in the list of slopware because it have permissive AI policy, but if read the evidence (https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src?tab=contributing-ov-file#quality-expectations) we'll see:
> Low quality submissions will be rejected
> Automated accounts or chatbots must not submit pull requests
Also note this issue: https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware/issues/257
I completely agree with people doing their own research.
@evgandr I specifically called FreeBSD out as being pro-slop because it is. I acknowledge that the current taint is from OpenZFS, not directly from the FreeBSD project but that doesn't change the fact that they're incorporating tainted code instead of completely rejecting it (via fork or any other method necessary) and have a policy of accepting slop. The issue you linked points out that FreeBSD can technically be built without ZFS. Where are the official builds of this; ISOs, disk images, etc.? If the default build isn't free of slop, then it's slopware.
I also specifically called out the OpenBSD's taint was from tmux, which is part of the base. Again, not code written by the OpenBSD contributors, but still part of the base system. OpenBSD also doesn't have a written anti-LLM policy. Hopefully both of those issues will be resolved. Your link to the mailing list archive messages about the tmux issue don't include a SINGLE core maintainer of OpenBSD, let alone Theo himself, and are thus completely without merit.
As for your comments about not having to wait to release new versions of various BSDs "in the next century", I can't imagine what you're talking about. OpenBSD has been on a steady 6 month release cycle for many years. FreeBSD also has a well defined released schedule.
Frankly, your entire post reads like you're attempting to defend the incorporation of slop instead of actually explaining a valid misunderstanding on my part of exactly what is slopware. I'll make this very clear for you: Anything that contains slop in any amount or from any source or uses an LLM for any purpose whatsoever, is slop.
Edit: Clarification
@be0ba I see this as an extreme way to describe "pro-slop" OSes. There are no allowing slop-commits sentences in the #FreeBSD guidelines, furthermore the low quality commits and commits solely from LLMs are directly prohibited. As I read at near 1-2 month before — the FreeBSD people still discussing the new guidelines, so we'll see something in the future.
Also, I should note that forking #OpenZFS especially for FreeBSD, starting from commit where it wasn't tainted, is not so easy thing as it could be seen. There are necessary to found some maintainers, who know the OpenZFS code and able to maintain the fork, test tons of subsystems and utilities — because one of the biggest features of FreeBSD is ZFS as a first-class filesystem, so everything must work as before.
Also, this is why there are no FreeBSD ISOs without ZFS — the amount of necessary testing, to check that everything works as with common FreeBSD ISOs, are incredible.
E.g. when I wrote about simple bug mu, disallowing it's installation with Emacs with X server GUI — it take at near 1 month (or more) to fixed package land in the repository. BTW, the patch was proposed on the next day after I wrote a bug, and it changes literally the one line in the Makefile. So, for ZFS fork the ETA will be much bigger.
> don't include a SINGLE core maintainer of OpenBSD, let alone Theo himself
Dunno, from mine perspective this is completely normal if someone writes to the mailling list first time or didn't posted at maillist before 🤷♂️
> As for your comments about not having to wait to release new versions of various BSDs "in the next century", I can't
imagine what you're talking about. OpenBSD has been on a steady 6 month release cycle for many years. FreeBSD also
has a well defined released schedule.
These OSes have a good released schedule because of beforementioned compromises — using the upstream code and the default configuration flags to reduce the time to land the new versions of software to the repositories. If maintainers will spend their time also for checking is the new version of some software tainted with slop or not — we'll see the next *BSD release in the next century.
> you're attempting to defend the incorporation of slop
LMAO, Obviously not 
> Anything that contains slop in any amount or from any source or uses an LLM for any purpose whatsoever, is slop.
As I wrote before, this is a very extreme way to define slopware, absolutely ignoring the ways how the big systems, like OSes, are built, using the underlying Free Software projects as a building bricks. And ignoring the people with limited amount of time and money, who spending their free time to build something and have a customary way to make things, which they were using in the last few decades.
P.S. So, that's how we have the current state of things: the big commercial software companies are pro-slop and forcing developers to use LLMs. And the non-commercial free software organizations maybe want not to use slop in their codebase, but they don't have enough people and money to achive this for now.
> I see this as an extreme way to describe "pro-slop" OSes.
No. This is the bare minimum. There are no partial measures to resist fascism. You either resist it to the best of one's ability, or you accept it.
> Also, I should note that forking #OpenZFS especially for FreeBSD, starting from commit where it wasn't tainted, is not so easy thing as it could be seen.
I never said or implied it would be easy. It would be a massive amount of work. It's also literally the only option to meet the bare minimum definition of a project that does not include slop.
>> don't include a SINGLE core maintainer of OpenBSD, let alone Theo himself
> Dunno, from mine perspective this is completely normal if someone writes to the mailling list first time or didn't posted at maillist before 🤷♂️
I'm not devaluing the opinions of the people in that discussion, merely pointing out that they literally have no direct influence over the project's policies or implementations thereof. Until and unless core maintainers make a statement, there is no policy.
> E.g. when I wrote about simple bug mu, disallowing it's installation with Emacs with X server GUI — it take at near 1 month (or more) to fixed package land in the repository. BTW, the patch was proposed on the next day after I wrote a bug, and it changes literally the one line in the Makefile. So, for ZFS fork the ETA will be much bigger.
You're conflating package maintainers with core maintainers for a project. While those two groups often share people, there are generally many more package maintainers that maintain at most a handful of packages and have nothing to do with the base operating system. Waiting a month for a bug fix in a package by someone who may only update packages every few months bears no relevance whatsoever to base OS development.
> As I wrote before, this is a very extreme way to define slopware, absolutely ignoring the ways how the big systems, like OSes, are built, using the underlying Free Software projects as a building bricks.
While this is absolutely true of Linux which has nothing to itself but a kernel, it bears much less relevance to BSD. The vast majority of the code in BSDs is written for and by those operating systems. There are obvious exceptions to this of course; NetBSD has GCC, OpenBSD and FreeBSD have LLVM (another slopware project to contend against), OpenBSD has Perl, tmux, etc. So, yes, a handful of external projects but the majority of the base distribution is produced "in-house".
I'm sorry you can't seem to understand that my position isn't extreme relative to the threat. It's literally the minimal baseline to combat encroaching fascism. The only way to prevent slop is to refuse to allow it. If everyone refuses to use slop, eventually it will die out, but making excuses about how difficult things are doesn't do anything. I hope you can learn to understand that your constant excuses for why we can't fight back are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Edit: Grammar is difficult even when you proofread a hundred times...
Sorry, as a citizen of not the first world country, who was never rich as an usual american teenager and saw/hear about a lot of real shit and will see a lot of shit in future (like death penalty for using VPN to access the free Internet, for example) — I can't read these incantation about "fighting fascism" without a smirk
Sounds like wealthy citizens of first world countries developed a new simulacrum to ignore the real problems in the other countries, like governments full of corrupted morons, failure of diplomacy, and constant war against human rights.
Returning to slop, this masks the real problems with slopware — decline in code quality and in programmers' knowledge, replacing it with paid corporative blackbox, which could be restricted to use at any moment.
@nina_kali_nina Sorry, but this is how things are visible from inside non-first world country by some people, including me — as written in one local proverb: "The well-fed do not understand the hungry" 🤷♂️
@nina_kali_nina Interesting. I use FreeBSD on servers/headless machines whenever I can precisely because I feel it's much more polished, organized and simple than any Linux distribution I've seen. But it's definitely not my first nor second choices for desktop/laptop.
@nina_kali_nina I think someone should revive the HURD
I'm unfortunately not skilled enough
@nina_kali_nina well I'll be a monkey's uncle, there's actually progress from earlier this year
https://itsfoss.com/news/gnu-hurd-progress-report/
Time to try it on a spare SSD ^^
@nina_kali_nina beyond the AI parts I do think that the BSDs have some interesting advantages, mainly shipping a holistic system rather than a parts tray that’s assembled by the distro team. The bundling of lib c is my particular favorite.
I’d also say that the BSDs have a much closer relationship with correctness, just look into the behavior of truncation with tail -f on bsd vs Linux.
Oxide has a pretty good discussion on why they went with Illumos over Linux.
@nina_kali_nina hope this link is useful (+ if you weren't aware of it prior) https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware#operating-systems
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt switching from Windows 7 (which was close to EoL) to Kubuntu in 2019 was definitely a "oh wait all of this just works and I might even prefer this experience" moment. The only thing I lost is hardware compatibility with the katsukeity capture card in my new2DSxl and my elgato HDMI capture card.
@mitsunee video capture didn't work as expected?
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt the elgato device in question doesn't seem to have any linux drivers and didn't magically just work™, so I kinda gave up. I was gonna give it to a friend, but we never figured out shipping abroad and he ended up getting a usb-c one, which is probably easier to use than a PCI-E card anyways. I'm honestly more disappointed I couldn't find software for the 3DS one, because that thing cost me 500€ and there
@mitsunee that's sad :( I guess you could use Windows in Qemu for this, but that's not very convenient
@nina_kali_nina
I've been running FreeBSD as my primary OS since version 1.1.5 (in the 1990's) and I've been running 386BSD before that. Of course it depends on your needs, but for me it definitely worked fine. Never had Windows or Linux on my primary machine.
@nina_kali_nina Reasons to do not try FreeBSD?
It should have all at par as Debian as software that you seek, plus Wine and the Linux compatibility layer for run Linux binaries.
As I heard, the hardware issues are alike related to wifi, lans or GPU, but it could be meant just to install the driver post-installation.
OpenBSD and NetBSD are born with different objectives than being a desktop system, the lacking of Wine and some things should not surprise.
@raster they welcome AI contributions
@nina_kali_nina Perhaps you could evaluate two lesser know picks non-unix, Haiku and Aros.
I don't remember about have wine thought. I think you need to setup a VM for those times you need Windows binaries.
@raster they're lovely, but I wouldn't be comfortable running them as my main OS for stability and security reasons, unfortunately
@nina_kali_nina FreeBSD has not taken a real stance about AI-generated code yet, for being exact, except they tend to avoid for license concern. I cannot disagree with the doubts about this stance, anyway.
Some FOSS projects have already banned AI contributions for pratical reasons, first of all they went overwhelmed that they cannot reviewn the code, at all. I think in short future in general these submission are going to get excluded for these reasons than for ideological/moral matters.
@raster except they did allow AI contributions just fine, they have Claude authored commits.Their policy only prohibits fully automated and low quality PRs.
@moses_izumi I have Win98 running real fast (Pentium 200 MHz 100%) in dosbox-x on both NetBSD and OpenBSD. I haven't tried to use it for music production just yet, but that'd be my fallback if I fail to port PowerTab or TuxGuitar.
@nina_kali_nina GNU IMP. You've just fixed a naming problem for me. Thank you.
@grant_h I wasn't the first one who suggested to use this name. I think it's not a bad rebranding
@nina_kali_nina It is still easy to pronounce (to my English tongue), needs no massive refactoring of code, keeps the recognition. Ticks a lot of boxes.
@nina_kali_nina its fun to see these "giant projects" are just one person doing this in their free time. Those people rock. :)
@nina_kali_nina I've done this my whole life out of habit, being raised in a non-Windows household (OS/2, BeOS, etc). Always hitting a hardware compatibility list was critical for survival 'back in the day'. I'm happy for having this skill and reflex for anything tech I've ever purchased.
It wasn't just laptops in our household but also things like dvd players. We'd have tape on the top of certain ones that listed the 'regions' of the discs they'd play.
@nina_kali_nina
Back in the day, NetBSD did run on close to everything. And then some.
I'm curious: What problems did you run into? And what window manager are you running there?
@nina_kali_nina that image sparked power tab nostalgia. I need to check if Peter Lindstrom transcriptions are still available.
Also, the report of all the lessons learned is super interesting. Thanks!
is there a job board that focuses only on good companies? places with a real sense of purpose, healthy work-life balance, thoughtful pace, and meaningful work. no grind, no noise, no constant rush
see also
so i have been learning #sam and #acme properly and oh my god. acme is the best editor i have ever used. i love the fact that it really is an os interface in its own right. i have been completely underutilising it. i now have a setup on my second desktop at all times.
sam just seems like ed on steroids with a lot of the acme benefits of the mouse interface.
i am using acme for actual work or writing and i use sam for quick edits or config files.
@gosha
yeah, plan9port (plan9 from user space) runs well on macos when you install in into /usr/local
@gosha
i highly recommend it,
https://9fans.github.io/plan9port/man/man1/install.html
thats the link to the guide i installed it with.
i cloned it in /usr/bin as a folder called plan9 and then did ./INSTALL and pasted the resulting commands it ended it with into my .zshrc and .zprofile :)
@ravenbrook never really touched plan9, but how would you compare acme to vim or kakoune if you have used those? like a few of the selling points of acme.
@alanxoc3 i have never used kakoune but i have used vim and vi quite a lot.
in acme you can type anywhere, anywhere there is text you can type and edit text that is there, adding extra commands you use a lot to the top blue bars.
you can execute commands from other programs (i compile LaTeX documents a lot within acme while editing them) in acme. in many ways its more of an ide.
compared to vim, its simpler to start with, like you can just type, and acme is far more mouse oriented.
will cont
@alanxoc3
like in acme there is mouse chording, which is entirely not present in vim. and it is global in many plan9 apps.
i use vi when i can because i find that i barely use many of vims actual functions, so i find acme has fewer redundant features to me. it supports the sam command language but i am yet to play with that.
i think this video does a good job of summing it far better than i could. its also by the main dev behind plan9port
@ravenbrook Thanks for sharing the video.
Like Kakoune, it looks like it has much nicer shell/binary execution support than vim.
Unlike Kakoune it has windowing and encourages mouse support. And I guess Kakoune has different edit modes.
There are probably way more differences than that though. It does look fun! Seems like the text editor people should get started with rather than notepad.exe.
It seems to be crashing quite a lot when doing things like resetting my password, or attempting to login from a third-party client.
Are there any, ANY Data Analytics, Visualization, Storytelling jobs out there that DO NOT require the use of AI just for the sake of AI?
I truly feel like I need to leave my current job as it has become unsustainable for me for multiple reasons, but whatever job ad I see out there also says AI this, AI that, and *for no good reason.* Just so they can say we "do AI."
... does this exist? am I looking for a unicorn?
Follow-up to this, I am noticing that what I gravitate towards more and more is a job that aligns with my values & morals. I want to do at least *some* good in the world - it should be a net positive.
ALSO incredibly hard to find. Nonprofits, charities, green tech, urbanism, anything?
Preferably remote in #Canada, but would consider hybrid in #yeg.
@robyn bruh, no. We're implementing some miraculous realtime analytics. Is you can dream it, it's being rendered on a webpage by the end of the week
@robyn honestly I think it’s the same game as with anything. Say “yes of course I’ll be in the office two days a week and use AI for everything including my trips to the bathroom” to the HR person and then do your job effectively once you’re hired and nobody’s gonna check shit. At least that’s how most places seem to work to me
My guess, and this is just a guess, is that it's a unicorn now. Today. In this era. But give it a year, probably less, and the whole "AI" con will implode. My understanding is that Cory Doctorow is right--AI is the asbestos we are shoveling into our walls and we're going to have to spend generations excising it. My advice--go raise sheep off the grid for a year, then come back as an AI slop code doctor.
@robyn Note: this is an under-educated guess and opinion.
I would say still apply to job listings with those. IF otherwise qualified. Speak up the qualifications you -do- have. And state you have ethical issues with LLMs. **As polite as one usually is while applying for a job.** But be prepared to not get the job.
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@robyn @zkamvar We do data analytics for the charity sector in Australia and don’t use gen AI. We build ML models where it makes sense, but otherwise we use human intelligence, understanding and experience to help our clients do more with their data furthering their causes. So not a unicorn, but we’re profitable enough not to need to buy into the hype and our clients trust us enough not to ask for that crap.
TIL that macOS ships with `mg`, a sort-of Emacs clone
@never_released i think it came from openbsd
@cb @never_released It's an editor from OpenBSD. Unfortunately it doesn't support UTF-8 https://man.openbsd.org/mg#CAVEATS
mg?!@hi @never_released ctrl-z, pkill -9 mg. Just like vi 
Maybe in particular:
1. Lots of websites will geoblock instead of implementing this, because it’s too expensive. So even adults might lose access.
2. Adults might also lose their anonymity
3. Constant breaches mean your child’s information might leak
4. Evading bans might lead children to bad places RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:ybtyn5l4nljys46ijqtpldaw/post/3m7fvzrsitk2b
Article also by Taylor Lorenz: «[OSA] has led to mass censorship, with the de facto removal of vast swaths of content from the web. Tech companies find it easier and cheaper to simply remove mass amounts of information than have something slip through and be deemed non-compliant.»
Who is verifying if you should have access to this particular content? «Age verification is a massive gift to big tech. Persona, the leading third-party identity verification platform, recently announced a $2bn valuation after its latest funding round co-led by Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund.»
«Apple Inc. called the legislation a "serious threat" to end-to-end encryption, warning that it could force the company to weaken security features designed to protect users from surveillance.»
I personally think parents are reaching for legislation and tech solutions for something they should be talking with their kids, their schools and other parents about. I also think legislation could help in forcing platforms to follow up on reports, appeals and complaints.
Personally I don’t think most kids are mature enough to understand the privacy implications of social media, and in my experience it’s the parents who have made these accounts for them. And the parents who don’t want to say no. And who posts pictures of kids? Their families. We need to parent.
We can’t legislate ourselves out of parenting. And attempting to do so could create a world where our kids can never seek information without it being tied directly back to their real identity. And this information could potentially follow them for the rest of their lives.
Look at the US right now. It isn’t hard to see how this information could be weaponized because it already is. And given more systemic gathering of information it could be so much worse. You might trust your current government, but what about a future government?
You don’t know what a future government will look like.
As for evasion, do parents think that anyone over the age of 10 hasn’t heard of VPNs? «half of the top ten free apps in Apple's app download charts in the UK appeared to be for VPN services. And one app maker told the BBC it had seen an 1,800% spike in downloads.»
Then I guess the solution is to ban VPNs?
Two thousand year old #opsec advice:
Hoping that others will not hear is not the same as not speaking; hoping others won’t find out is not the same as not doing.
(from the Book of Han, a history book authored by a brother-sister pair)
#classicalchinese #fountainpen
Woot, all my static sites have been moved to my new @OpenBSDAms server! I've deleted my Hetzner server and updated the colophon on my homepage: https://gosha.net/colophon 
@gosha \o/
@gosha do mind if we add this toot to our website?
@OpenBSDAms Not at all, please do!
@gosha it’s up at https://openbsd.amsterdam/words.html
Love the Moomin!
The #OpenBSD Foundation's 2026 Fundraising Campaign pages are now live. The foundation raised $513,251 total in 2025. ☺️
I never gave y'all an update, but I got #getfedihired and it's pretty great. Thanks!
@nina_kali_nina It seems plausible that literally anyone who saw your projects in your Fedi feed would hire you immediately, that tracks. Congratulations.
@nina_kali_nina yay, congratulations! I hope the new job gives you peace of mind to comfortably hack even MOAR ^^
@nina_kali_nina Congrats 🎉 What’s the job?
@nina_kali_nina great news! I got the impression you were less than enamoured of the direction of things where you were before.
exciting: first 10 production mainboards for MNT Reform Next came in!
@hi depends what kind of thing you're editing but for text, markor is pretty good
ideally: monospaced font, simple file browser or none at all, no markdown, no syntax highlighting, etc
@hi markor can do that
My problem with it was, it had way more features than I needed. You might have a similar issue, but it is a very good plaintext editor so probably worth trying
@hi I'm using simpletexteditor, which has treated me well, but I'm on the lookout for something with a "recent files" browser, so i don't need to keep digging through my folders 😅
@hi termux + vim ?
iA Presenter now lets you write charts. To make it easy, we had to completely redesign the UI for markdown tables: https://ia.net/topics/charts-and-tables
@ia Can we get this in iA Writer too, please!
@ia Will this come to iAWriter too? Would be really useful, including text-based tables.
@robertbigg It's built to be shared with Writer but we'll do Liquid Glass and Outline first. (LG is coming soon). No ETA on tables. It's good to give it some time with a wider audience, too, before we integrate it with Writer.
please boost
@hi OpenSCAD is the 3D cad software that I use on OpenBSD and in current it has recently been updated
A toss-up.
For simple stuff, I like TinkerCAD which is browser-based and freely available, but not freely-licensed. Good for throwing together a quick item to 3d-print. But also has a fairly low ceiling, and I find myself hitting limits pretty quickly there.
For stuff more complex than TinkerCAD can handle, I spent a while learning Blender. It's open-licensed (GPL) and has **far more** power than I'll ever learn/use. But it did the job.
Alas, it now uses Vulkan which doesn't work on some of my hardware where I'd be more prone to using it, so I haven't used it as much in the last couple years.
@hi i have no real-world experience to lend credence to my opinions, but programming shapes in OpenSCAD was very fun. so satisfying to refactor a physical object, and to make everything line up perfectly etc.
something like music grid...
#MastoAdmin on #OpenBSD feel:
@h3artbl33d how tf did you get a different mediaplayer to show up on the mastodon app 💀💀💀💀
I added the MP3 as an attachment. AFAIK this is how Mastodon displays the attachment; to the best of my knowledge it isn't a glitch-exclusive feature.
@h3artbl33d I've never seen a audio file here lol. Also I thought it was a video due to bad ui design.
@h3artbl33d totally unrelated question… why kind of "object" is this? The visual aspect while playing looks like an app content but the post rendering looks like an attached media file. 🤔
Hear me out: a stack based task management app. Shows you a stack of tasks you need to do, with one on top visible and the rest hidden under it. FIFO I guess? But you should be able to manually adjust where you put your new task when you add it, this can't be too strict.
Lists give me anxiety. Just show me what I need to do next, and that's it.
$ head -1 todo.mdgives me next todo item to work on.
to add items i just edit file in vi:
$ vi todo.mdbonus: i keep todo items blocked by other people in another file:
$ vi wait.mdand completed items moved to done.md stamped with date
$ echo "$(date +%Y%m%d) $(head -1 todo.md)" >> done.mdbonus 2: send a copy to my phone
$ sed -i .bak '1d' todo.md
$ rsync -litr ~/src/todo/ phone:storage/shared/src/todo/
@hi I love it, even though this feels like it has hints of org-mode in it!
a few flat plaintext files work really well and helps me stay focused. i haven't tried emacs, but i guess this is a pretty common pattern :)
@hi org-mode is powerful and awesome, but simple it is not. I’ll try something like your system for a bit, thank you for sharing!
@ratfactor your website is super cool! I really enjoyed the post about folding a fitted sheet, this has been a bane of my existence forever. I also discovered @OpenBSDAms through your website, makes me want to migrate from hetzner 
@gosha @ratfactor we are here if you want to give it a try.
@OpenBSDAms Just applied for a VM :) I've been running openbsd on hetzner for a few years now and I'm fairly satisfied with it (only problem I had was when I tried to self-host a RSS reader: some websites blocked traffic from hetzner IPs and so I couldn't fetch feeds), but I'd be very happy to use hosting that supports the openbsd foundation 🤘
@gosha @OpenBSDAms That rocks! Thank you! And yeah, totally give Openbsd.Amsterdam a shot. I was running a VM over there as a test for quite a while before I did my full switch-over. Plus: the sooner you join, the sooner you're donating to OpenBSD. 😁
Edit: I see that you did. Woohoo! 🥳
@ratfactor @OpenBSDAms Woohoo! I already managed to host my rss reader without any issues, going to be migrating all of my websites shortly :)
There are many ways to illustrate that things belong together or are related to each other. They are commonly known as “gestalt principles” (top)
What happens when you ignore them all? You get a UI that is absolutely undecipherable (bottom). Just one hot mess of everything with no indication what applies to what.
Sometimes minimalism can be too much.
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@grumpy_website This is too subtle for me. What are the things that belong together or are related to one another?

We've had this long furling tape from Japan for the longest time, for years!! thinking it was in inches. Causing us lots of mistakes and fuck ups, the whole time we thought it was our own miscalculations, that we must have messed up in converting it to metric or something.
1) The unit on the tape is in tenth of a foot.
2) That's almost exactly 3cm, BUT NOT QUITE.
3) The ruler says FEET, but then breaks it down in 3cm segments each divided in tenth of a tenth of foot.
WHAT THE FUCK RULER
@neauoire Perfectly cromulent semi-SI units. Decifeet, centifeet, kilofeet ![]()
@alderwick here I was hating on the fact that the word "hexadecimal" mixes up latin and greek roots.
@tezoatlipoca @ori @neauoire milli-inches is already a thing, called a "thou" and used in engineering and machining.
@neauoire shaku-sun-bu approximator based on international feet, I guess? unless zhat's slightly off and actually 0.9942x ze measurement on your tri-blade ruler, which'd mean it's literally just shaku-sun-bu
@yaodema it's a german triblade, so I think that's probably actual feet. If not, our measurements have been fucked on meta levels.
@neauoire oh I mean your tri-blade being *actual feet* and zhis weird ruler being off by a tiny amount you can't see wizhout calipers, here. shaku are defined as 30.3cm to a foot's 30.48, after all
@yaodema I'm just here questioning everything now, I don't have enough rulers on the boat to be doubly sure of anything.
@cerement @yaodema @neauoire I was about to answer this myself, but decided to check first.
Perfect answer.
So I'll add that you can have similar mishaps in China with chi-cun-fen measures (often still used in tailoring). Indeed the Imperial inch is referred to in China as literally "English cun".
The shaku-sun-bu measurements were almost certainly derived from older chi-cun-fen measurements, but have diverged over time. The Mainland chi today is 33+1/3cm, IIRC, to the shaku's 30.3cm.
@neauoire i got more cursed units where that came from
We kindda wanna pass it on, but we'll have to put a label on it something, like: CURSED UNITS, experimental uses only.
@neauoire Apparently it is not a rare thing in oilfield work? I recently watched this https://youtu.be/sdWEGzWFcCc?t=276 which has lots of other fascinating horrible units, but that's the bit that talks about "decimal feet".
decimal feet used to be somewhat common in all kinds of engineering, but it seems to have stuck around longest in civil engineering.
@khm @blakecoverett @neauoire yeah I was about to say it's a decimal feet tape measure for like, surveying purposes.
That's pretty hilarious though.
@neauoire isn’t that just a standard drafting scale, at 1:10000 feet? We used the metric ones in school, but they were standard scales.
@neauoire
So, wait—when it hits 10, does it go back to 0 and count up in tenths of a foot until it gets to 2 feet? As in there are no 11 and 12 marked on there?
Wow, just found one that does both:
@neauoire
In forestry management we use imperial tape measures divided into 10 instead of 12. Specifically when measuring the diameter of a tree trunk. It means the result is a straight decimal, ie. 3.4' or 3.9' instead of 3'-4 4/5" or 3'-10 13/16".
I mean, yeah, metric would be easier all around, but at least this method does make tabulating and synthesising results in spreadsheets easier for Americans when it's in tenths of a foot vs twelfths.
@neauoire
And you should see the back side of that same measuring tape - it measures "inches", but each "inch" is in actually 3.14159 (pi π) inches long, so that you don't have to do math in the field to convert circumference to diameter!
Super handy for those who know. Flabbergasting to those who don't.
@neauoire It's engineering units. I have an old folding rule, inches on one side and tenths on the other. It can be confusing. Anyhow, if you were working off plans with measurements in tenths, it is easier to use this kind of tape than converting numbers on site.
@neauoire this is very funny, but also what very specific reason is there for this to exist?
@neauoire weird units rulers like that were also a cause of the Vasa disaster: https://theworld.org/stories/2013/08/15/new-clues-emerge-centuries-old-swedish-shipwreck
@neauoire holy _shit_ that's the most cursed thing I can imagine
"Make sure your measuring tapes are calibrated!" 😂
@neauoire
Next up imperial meters where each meter is exactly 40 inches.
@niels that cracked me up
@neauoire @niels Ever since learning about the short ton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_ton, 907kg, in the US apparently often called just the ton) I wish we defined a “long yard”, equal to 1m, and call it just “yard” in Europe for convenience.
Possibly stumbled onto the high-level language of my dreams.
@neauoire which one? is it a take on https://github.com/elis/ji ?
@neauoire
Was going to say, it looks like an infix version of Forth.
@RealGene this is postfix, but there's no stack.
So forward slash is not a divide operator?
which in postfix would be:
y2^y '[res^x] y2 /
Also, the table is missing 1 x 1 😀
@RealGene it is, but cells in memory are fractions, instead of unsigned integers. The only possible operation is the multiplication of fractions.
So, if a program has these 3 cells: 2^2 3/2 5/6
[] 2^2 3/2 5/[2 3]
[2^2] 3/2 5/[2 3]
[2 3] 5/[2 3]
[5]
Reached in 4 steps.
@neauoire stole some ideas from this to print Pascal's Triangle
I'm considering bumping the macOS requirements for my binary package repository available at https://pkgsrc.smartos.org/install-on-macos/ again.
There's already a bunch of packages missing because they have newer C++ requirements than Xcode 15.4 supports.
What OS are folks running?
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OpenBSD -current is now "7.9-current" https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20260420053238 #openbsd #development #current #newrelease #security #freesoftware #libresoftware
please boost
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@hi I'm a computer programmer. I've wanted to do this since I was six years old, and I get to work on really interesting/challenging stuff (3D reconstruction, GNSS mapping, a bunch of 2D rendering, that kind of stuff).
This is very much due to the job I have. I've worked at another company before that burned me out enough to have me stare into space seriously wondering if I made a mistake going into IT more than once.
I love how the average "just a simple flashlight" app on Google Play is like 200 MiB and the average "This contains the entire knowledge of the universe, requires Android 4.0 or newer" app on F-Droid is like 20 KiB. XD
Folks were telling me about GrayJay (client for YT and others), but it's like hecka hundred megabytes, and I'm thinking, "WHY!??"
A virtual Android environment itself would be quite the resource hog, methink.
Reminds me, I've got a Pixel 3a collecting dust puppies in my home office closet, I really need to flash it with #pmOS. ;)
The 3a is the best-supported phone for pmOS outside of the PinePhone (original, not Pro), if memory serves me.
This goes back to my one infamous comment, "I'd rather deal with a heat-belching x86 phone with two minutes of battery life than an ARM-based laptop." 😂
Hardware support on that architecture seems to be a real bugbear. I celebrate the accomplishments of teams like the Asahi guys, yet mourn that their heroic work essentially obfuscates the fact that "Apple Silicon" computers are absolute bricks without herculean reverse-engineering efforts.
This is a sad state of affairs.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I haven't had great luck with my 3a with pmOS. I haven't even been able to get it to establish a cellular connection using physical sims from multiple providers. Combine that with a (now) badly declining battery and I've never even come close to being able to test it as a daily driver. (This is over multiple attempts through the last couple of years.)
I hope this doesn't read like a criticism of the pmOS folks; they've done incredible work and I appreciate the hell out of it (although I wish they'd have stuck with OpenRC instead of SloppyD).
Hopefully y'alls will have better luck than I, but I figured I should at least share my experience to date. Despite the ongoing issues, it has certainly gotten better every time I've pushed a new image to the phone.
@be0ba @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Ah, that's a bummer to hear. :/
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I just built a new image using plasma-mobile and packages from edge; I'll take it with me tomorrow and see if I can get the modem working. I don't have cell service at home.
Like I said, things have always seemed to be better every time I try. Not necessarily huge leaps, but improvements all the time.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Okay, so it boots but plasma-mobile is still somewhat unhappy at times. When you switch the active SIM slot (for me, the eSIM is the default and I must run `sudo mmcli -m 0 --set-primary-sim-slot 1'), the settings app invariably crashes. The Crash Reporter also tends to crash regardless of whether or not anything else has crashed.
5GHz WiFi is still a no-go; for some reason it can't manage the encryption, but 2.4GHz works perfectly fine.
Overall interactivity is... okay. Sluggish in comparison to literally any Android phone I've ever used. For comparison, I fired up my Motorola Droid RAZR (circa 2011) with Android 4 and there is literally no comparison in terms of responsiveness. (Also, holy crap, this old Android 4 feels so incredibly dated...) The ancient Motorola just screams through UI animations and apps opening where the Pixel 3a just... limps along. There are other options for the UI, but plasma-mobile has well proven to be the least glitchy of them for me.
I got Firefox installed which seems to come from Flathub (clocking in at 271.2MiB). It works well enough, Reddit loaded, videos played with working sound. Waterfox doesn't seem to be available, but I've just found that Librewolf (393.7MiB [no idea why it's so much bigger; pre-installed extensions?]) is so I'll test it since it's not #slopware. This too works perfectly on the perfunctory Reddit test.
The last time I tested this, the screen would get stuck in orientation, and vertical was always upside down. This hasn't happened at all yet, which is a wonderful improvement in my book.
The modem is picking up at least some network signals with an active sim selected, which is also great news. Only tomorrow will tell if it can actually manage to connect to the network.
If I manage to get it to connect to the cellular network tomorrow I'll report back. If I don't, you can assume that it didn't. Or that I forgot to post about it, or forgot to test and am too embarrassed to mention it.
@be0ba @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Man, I gotta say, that does not sound like fun. :/
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
It's not really the phone's fault though, or even postmarketOS. It was also really unfair for me to compare responsiveness to Android even though it's the direct competitor. Android is stupid optimised to run on these things, and older Android apps had to run on really limited hardware and make the most of it.
What's running on this now 7 year old hardware is an entirely modern software stack that struggles on modern hardware. Firefox/Librewolf actually responded a LOT better than I expected. They were actually more responsive than the WM. KDE Plasma isn't exactly lightweight, even as a mobile WM. The limited amount of RAM in a Pixel 3a is also limiting in terms of modern stuff, having only 4GB. I think I'll try using swap-in-zram along with some sysctl tuning to help alleviate that. Perhaps bpftune and adaptivemm can help make a difference as well.
I think using a lighter UI would help a lot, but all of those options seem to say to use a stylus because they're not really mobile UIs and I don't have a stylus. I also think carrying a stylus around to use a phone not designed for one would make an even worse experience.
@be0ba @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Have you tried #SXMo?
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I have not, but I will just as soon as the new image finishes building and I push it to the phone. I wish I had something else ARM based around here to build it ..... wait. My 7 Pro has that new-ish Linux-in-a-VM terminal.
Now I have to try to build a postmarketOS image on a VM on a phone....
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
Okay, this is will take some getting used to, but I think I like it. It is also snappy AF. This feels so much nicer to work with; no lag at all.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
One thing I note is that using sxmo-de-sway on pmOS doesn't seem to ask for a user pin/password on startup. You just go straight to the desktop which is not necessarily amazing. It's still cool though. Trying to figure out how to set up the APN for the cellular connection now. Also, how to tell networkmanager about the cellular connection...
EDIT: Apparently the autologin is an intended feature, according to the sxmo documentation. I'll try to figure out how to turn that off as well.
EDIT EDIT: No, you can't turn that off. The recommended action is to enable full disk encryption and use that for access control which is exactly not how that is supposed to work. So, SXMO explicitly does not support any kind of access control at any point in the usage experience which is.... not great.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
ModemManager is not happy with swapping SIM slots now. FML. I can get a nice, super responsive UI or I can get a possibility of connecting to a cellular network. Accursed thing.
@rl_dane @nowster @moses_izumi @hi
I'm also definitely running into https://gitlab.com/sdm670-mainline/linux/-/issues/6 which is a bug where the touchscreen stops responding. I can ssh in and kill sway and restart tinydm and everything will come back up but that doesn't exactly help in the real world... Interesting that I wasn't having any issues with that under plasma.
@hi just a little reminder that the original Doom only required ~2MB of disk-space while Doom II took ~15MB of disk-space.
For the additional disk-space used, are those mobile apps really providing you that much more value than just playing Doom or Doom II? 😆
i'm looking at uxn roms and asking myself why do we allow more than tens of kilobytes for an app?
Yesterday was our second-highest solar generation day so far: 93.123kWh.
I sort of wish their web interface had a high score tracker.
(Although eventually we'll hit a maximum and be unable to surpass it due to physics so I suppose it'd get a bit stale after a year or so.)
They do show CO2 reduction of 1.42 tons and equivalent of 78 trees planted.
Not sure how accurate those equivalents are, but that's a bit mind boggling. It hasn't even been a full month yet.
@bigzaphod I’m a bit jealous every time you post about your solar generation. My panels still have a foot of snow on them 🫠 Come onnnnn, spring! Stop being so slow!
I'm sure that those equivalents are making an assumption about the energy production from the power company being coal or natural gas or something, but my power company is around 50% renewable with 40% of it wind power, if I remember right. As slow as they were with the paperwork and approvals, I'm pretty happy with how hard they've been working to reduce coal and natural gas.
@hi we have 42 panels on the roof, but due to angles and trees of course it's rare when they are all getting sun. Rated capacity is 14.618kW. I think in theory it could be higher than that since the panels themselves have a rated max of 440kW and with 42 of them that'd be 18.48kW, but I suspect they put some fudge factors in here because no one ever hits theoretical max (plus, angles, shade, clouds, losses from micro inverters, etc...).
@hi yeah three sides here too. Only getting near max for an hour or two a day at most. And not even then, really. I have a chimney that casts an unfortunate shadow. 😛
@hi I want to cover my entire yard in panels and power all the neighbors too. 😛
@bigzaphod that’s a huge chunk of power!
I only generated about 18 kWh yesterday. I’d really like to add more panels some day; it would be great to hit a point where I harvest more from the sun than my home uses.
@bigzaphod That a pretty big install! What's the maximum instantaneous output? (Panel wattage x panels)
@bigzaphod Could have it like weather apps - high and low for the last year. That lets you at least see the most recent data, which is really what you care about. The high and low would have dates that would update too when hit.
We can dream anyway ha
good parts: can ssh into my phone and can fine-tune permissions
what i miss after using iphones for almost two decades: a smoothly working camera, a consistent user interface (including things like tap-to-scroll-to-top, password manager), reliable notification delivery, and airplay
what i had to give up (but wasn't too hard): face id, find my, airdrop, carplay, messages (imessage), safari, wallet
bonus: even though the screen size is nearly the same, the #pixel 10a feels bigger than my #iphone. naked, it's too slippery; in a case, it's bulky and still a bit slippery…
oh well,.. i guess that's the price you pay for having rsync on your phone ❤️
@hi Amaya I ask your approach to siloing apps within profiles? I am still trying to wrap my head around that.
if you want notifications (messaging, calls, etc), those apps must live in your active profile. i may be wrong, still learning...
see also
@hi it is not possible to get notifications from a profile when using another, as far as I know. The profiles isolation is really strong.
@hi Are you satisfied with how Android Auto works on GOS?
@hi I'm not surprised. As much as I love GrapheneOS and the thought of an independent, completely private and secure operating system, it comes with some tradeoffs which aren't for everyone.
B2F » 🌐
@B2F@mas.to
Excellent work and welcome to the fre(e)cosystem!
FYI you can install Android Auto from the GOS native App Store and doing a quick search it supports 100st 3rd party apps from what I can tell, that could replace your carplay and other stuff.
Never mind I saw you alreaddy tried 🍻 my bad, I didnt saw the posts
FUN FACT
I said earlier that I was porting LibreWolf to NetBSD, inspired by my success porting it to *OpenBSD*. However, someone already made this:
https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
This effort, by a different person, is already underway to port LibreWolf in NetBSD.
I don't want to step on anyone's toes, so, I shall discontinue the effort that I started; I started porting LibreWolf to NetBSD, unaware of any existing effort.
Being an OpenBSD ports maintainer shall suffice. Besides, I don't use NetBSD.
@libreleah Can't see Librewolf for Void. ;)
overall sense of well-being: clean air and water, enough food, stable housing, health, relationships, and personal freedom...
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@hi voted "long term" but only because of the many people I'm lucky to have in my life that know i can turn to.
No illusions, there were very many points in the last 20 years where, if not for family and friends, I'd certainly be homeless, and quite possibly dead.
I'm trying to set multi-boot for NetBSD, OpenBSD, and a bunch of smaller OSes on the same device. OpenBSD partitioning was a biiiit tough, but I figured it out. NetBSD partitioning was pure chaos, with parted segfaulting on me a few times (fun!). But if I didn't do anything wrong, I'll have it up and running... The trick seems to be to leave space un-partitioned before the installation, and just cut off the space off the disk little by little.
I feel like partitioning and OOB experiences are something to be improved if these systems want to be more used by normies. But then maybe the devs specifically don't want _that_ :)
This mini-guide was super helpful for OpenBSD install with encryption: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/m0b7wt/comment/gq7088o/
This one was neat for setting up xfce: https://www.birkey.co/2022-01-29-openbsd-7-xfce-desktop.html
My NetBSD install is not encrypted, but I can live with it.
But ... what is the actual boot loader then, and where does it live?
@flberger I have a FAT32 partition for EFI, and it has an EFI for Grub and OpenBSD. I plan to put NetBSD EFI there, too. My main loader is going to be Grub, from where I could chainload into any other EFI loader, or load kernels directly
@flberger sorry if that sounds like a lot of gibberish! :D I can explain
No no, I can follow. Thanks!
Reminds me that I am still much too DOS/BIOS in my head. 😆 Fancy what's possible in the 21st century. Chaining! Damn. 😁
@flberger there's even a new project that ships legacy BIOS as a EFI "kernel" for machines that don't have DOS compatibility. 🤯 UEFI->Grub->this wrapper->DOS->loadlin is possible
Okay, I failed spectacularly, with NetBSD installer rewriting the installer system on the install USB stick :D Oh well, at least my real disk is alive and well (for now)
I forgot to connect the charger to the laptop, and my computer died during fdisk doing its magic :D
My OpenBSD install is fully up and running (encrypted disk, wifi, XFCE, Firefox - will compile LibreWolf later), so it's time to configure NetBSD. NetBSD doesn't seem to support my WiFi card, but it should have accelerated video, and generally everything should work fine in it, so I'll keep using it when I can.
@nina_kali_nina are you doing this all on the same disk or at least making multiple OSes per disk? If so I'm curious how nicely the BSDs play with each other in the same partition table...
@thomasjwebb Multiple OSes per the same disk with a very complicated partition table. I have a single SSD with an MBR (for reasons). I think I've had far less issues if I've used GPT, or simply wanted to have _just_ two BSDs. But I am greedy and I want more
@nina_kali_nina given I've also had problems (on my old notebook) I'm starting to think NetBSD is developed with servers in mind...
I'll appreciate the multiboot guide from it
@nina_kali_nina
- How is climbing the K2 doing?
- You know, I have NetBSD and OpenBSD installed and running on the same laptop.
- Oh! Don't rush it then.
@nina_kali_nina Ah, thanks for testing that. I've always wondered whether that would work.
(When I installed some Linux today I noticed the USB drive from which I had booted wasn't listed among the targets. I guess now I know why. (It also means I couldn't have chosen to install it on a second partition on the USB drive though.))
@nina_kali_nina So.. it’s not self-hosting?
In the case of, NetBSD is not capable
of installing itself somewhere else?
@boiert no, why? It's just I made a mistake and got confused by the installer at first
@nina_kali_nina Yeah I was thinking of Debians’ debootstrap .. but you don’t do Linux 😸.
@nina_kali_nina I wonder what smaller OSs you're trying. Anything worth knowing? I've tried many lesser known ones over the last couple of years. So many didn't boot. Most of the remaining ones were not in a state that made you want to write or port software for them. Few remain on my (mental) list of smaller OSs worth knowing. I'd like to expand that list if possible.
@nina_kali_nina Aiai, now I see the post I did not see on mobile. Sorry.
...I had similar pains with some NetBSD partitioning fiddling recently. Also when I was migrating from OpenBSD to NetBSD and found that FFS != FFS (for f's sake). And on very low memory systems I was led to conclude that GPT probably wasn't worth the increased kernel sizes, so .. I usually boot some OS/2 installer first and do my MBR partitioning from there. It seems to be the only way to be surehave any hope at all I can install OS/2 on the machine at some point in the future. :D
@ltning ha-ha, it was MBR with extra things, like wedge for NetBSD and encrypted partition with partitions in for OpenBSD
> This one was neat for setting up xfce: https://www.
birkey.co/2022-01-29-openbsd-7
All well and good but does not explain how to partition the disk slice to enable installation of several gigs of GUI software.
OpenBSD defaults to something like 9 partitions, and even when I give it 32GB or so, it doesn't leave enough room for non-trivial amounts of GUI apps. E.g. I install Xfce and don't have room left for Firefox, or install Firefox and then can't add Xfce.
It is an OS _crying out_ for some kind of LVM, and let's face it, it would not be hard to devise a better LVM system than the abomination that is built into Linux.
Workaround of this problem is installing everything on a single slice mounted at "/". It lowers OS security level though.
I mean - that's the only way I know :)
*Nod*
This is what I have to do too, yes.
It is why whenever I see some alpha-nerd praising the openBSD installer and especially the partitioner, I jump down their throat & do my best chestburster impression.
Inevitably the mouth-breathing twonks are loud amateurs who have never tried a multi-disk triple-boot setup in their bloody lives.
@lproven @as400 I got bitten by that on my 32 GB SSD, too. The current install I have has almost 300 GB allocated to OpenBSD. The default partitioning table is 20G for /usr and 20G for /usr/local, which is plenty, so I don't expect to run out of space there anytime soon. I guess "sensible defaults" aren't always sensible.
Partitioning with "I'm installing OpenBSD as a second OS" is very non-straightforward though :<
@nina_kali_nina @as400 I believe you!
My testbed ThinkPad W500 has a roughly 200GB SSD and it multi boots XP64, NetBSD, OpenBSD, Crunchbang++ and Alpine Linux.
That took a *lot* of work, and of all of them, OpenBSD was the most problematic by far. I don't have room to install anything more than the default window manager.
@nina_kali_nina sooo... why exactly is disk partitioning so messed up in *BSD land? Is it a leftover from when everything had very little disk space? (see: why user-installed packages were put in the users' personal files directory and users' personal files got evicted to the home folder)
end game setup
$ find starwars2 -name \*.jpeg | imgs2png.sh 312 32 312-32 | sort | imgs2gif.sh 312-32.gif
starwars2/10.jpeg (479980) -> 312-32/10.png (17560)
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starwars2/29.jpeg (412894) -> 312-32/29.png (14936)
312-32.gif (665547)
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made with #imagemagick, #ffmpeg, and a tiny #shell script
In the 1960s, the B-52 bomber could navigate by the stars. Celestial navigation requires spherical trigonometry, so an analog Angle Computer solved these equations electromechanically. Let's look inside...
The "Astro Tracker" was the heart of the celestial navigation system. The 4-inch clear bubble stuck out from the top of the aircraft to view the stars. Inside, a telescope and photomultiplier tube tracked a star, steered by motors and prisms.
Inside the Angle Computer, a star pointer corresponds to the position of the star on the celestial sphere. Gears move the pointer to match the star's coordinates (called the declination and Local Hour Angle).
The back of the Angle Computer has devices called synchros that read out the star's position relative to the aircraft. At the bottom, motors drive the mechanism.
This close-up of the Angle Computer shows the complexity of the gears inside. The thicker brass-colored cylinders are differential gears that add two signals using rotations.
For more on the electromechanical Angle Computer, see my article: https://www.righto.com/2026/04/B-52-star-tracker-angle-computer.html
@kenshirriff Do you know what accuracy it could achieve?
I saw an interview with WW2 navigator who said he could only determine the location of the airfield to within 5 miles (with a sextant) .. in a bomber over Germany, he was lucky to even find the right town!
@vk2bea They say that the accuracy was within 0.1 degree.
@kenshirriff .. so about 11 km at 34 degrees north.
I guess with a 10 megaton bomb, it's good enough. If Dr Strangelove is anything to go by, the final bombing run used radar 😸
@kenshirriff Thank you, this is a wonderful article! I had been wondering how celestial navigation worked in planes and missiles.
For all practical intents and purposes, this information is useless for me, but reading the article makes me happy.
If knowing how to build a positioning system for a strategic bomber in a post-GPS/GNSS world ever becomes practically useful to me: thank you again and may God help us all.
@kenshirriff Wait is this the inspiration for the R2 units plonked in the back of the Tie Fighters in Star Wars?
@kenshirriff Have you seen any of Alexander the OK,s videos on YouTube? if not have a look you might find them interesting.
@kenshirriff stuff like this reminds me of 2 things:
1 The Antikytheria mechanism.
2 A short story (by Heinlein I think) I read many years ago, about the problems of building a spacecraft in a civilisation that has not discovered electricity.
@kenshirriff Welcome to the root physics of gyroscopic measures; brought to you by Spin Physics.
Milankovitch would be proud.
@numodular Although this unit looks like a gyroscope, it is not at all a gyroscope. There is nothing spinning.
@kenshirriff I shall update the media to stop the spin, and send the astronauts back to the moon ;-)
@kenshirriff @siracusa wasn’t there an SR-71 story about it this not working in the southern hemisphere? Or they couldn’t fit both halves in memory or some such?
@kenshirriff is this the same one that was in the SR-71?
@dnaunton The SR-71 used a different system, the NAS-14V2 astroinertial navigation system. Nortronics built the SR-71 system and Kollsman built the B-52 system. The B-52 system is said to have also been used in the Hound Dog cruise missile. A very detailed document on the SR-71 star tracker is here: https://audiopub.co.kr/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/NAS-14V2-ANS-System.pdf
@kenshirriff @dnaunton this is fascinating. I also congratulate you on one of the clearest summaries of celestial navigation I have read.
Ages ago I read Francis Chichester’s account of his solo float plane flight from New Zealand to Australia in the 1930s, when he pioneered aerial celestial nav. He went into some detail and was undoubtably a kind of genius, but completely incomprehensible! The man was not a writer. Or much of a mechanic… and that almost killed him.
@kenshirriff I was wondering if satellite constellations fucks this up? I think these are still in use and given a dooms day scenario, it's likely anti-SAT weapons will be used and GPS may be jammed or useless.
@kenshirriff That's quite a piece of mechanical engineering. Aircraft machinery is wildly complicated.
The B-58 Hustler had the first digital navigation computer on a plane. They came up with a clever low-resource trig function algorithm called CORDIC. This was later used in the first pocket scientific calculators.
The SR-71 system was informally called R2-D2. That document says it required an air conditioning trailer on the ground.
@kenshirriff I’m curious about the horizon. I guess they used artificial. Did it correct for altitude? Ex-mariner used a sextant for 15 yrs b4 satnav was a thing.
RE: https://nondeterministic.computer/@mjg59/116424709251813699
if "like that" includes:
- enclosure of the commons in violation of copyright and licensing
- destroying the environment
- creating a massive economic bubble
- poisoning open source codebases
- rotting the brains of those who use it
- turning software development from a skill you can build into a utility you have to rent
then yeah, I'll unapologetically say "not like that"
@hi how do you manage to stay under 1GB data (/var/snac/data)?
the only real trade-off is adjusting the time every week or so… but i rarely wear it for more than a few days at a time anyway.
surprisingly, it keeps time quite well (only drifting about 15...20 seconds a month), and it's both waterproof and shock-resistant. can handle running, jumping, swimming and whatever else i usually do
...oh, and at some point i have to service it to keep it running smoothly and waterproof. haven't done it once in years.
good old waterfall, none of that agile stuff :)
Oomfies, what's more gay? The winner is likely going to be my desktop OS. Others ideas are welcome, as long as it's fairly usable, open source and not Linux
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| NetBSD: | 155 |
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@nina_kali_nina have you considered Mia Rose as your desktop environment?
I can stretch loooon, maybe I can cover a lot of your desk 
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@nina_kali_nina can't speak firsthand to its gayness, but Haiku seems like it might fit your other criteria
@joe it might, but I fear for safety/security etc etc. It's a primary machine after all
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@nina_kali_nina ah yeah it's probably not good for that. though it is cool that the base OS and apps are immutably mounted directly from the set of packages you have installed, which is something you need to do extra work to get with any *BSD (though of course when you're always root in Haiku, it's still not hard to simply install or alter packages to indirectly alter the OS)
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @joe@f.duriansoftware.com i would not really use either on a primary machine. i've tried to daily drive both at a more rebellious point in my life
@nina_kali_nina
OpenBSD! (But OTOH how would I know, being old and cis and straight and probably a troublemaker)
@nina_kali_nina i mean, i am hardly the expert, but you seem to have picked like the two least gay options.
@drj @nina_kali_nina I don't know how to grade this (is it the SysV/BSD split?), but I'd bet good money on Oracle Solaris being less gay.
@nina_kali_nina NetBSD, but with a pride flag. 🥳✨🏳️🌈
GayBSD fork ETA when?!
@nina_kali_nina ... now that you made me think about it, OpenBSD looks gayer, but NetBSD looks queerer...
@nina_kali_nina why not FreeBSD? It’s a while since I last looked at BSDs, but I believe FreeBSD was the more desktop oriented one, that and Dragonfly.
IMHO NetBSD is kind of a “research” project these days. Not sure anyone uses it in anger, or as a desktop OS.
@WiteWulf they still don't have an anti-AI statement. :(
@nina_kali_nina @WiteWulf Haiku is apparently, very anti-slop.
They recently just made a change on their forum which moves slops to the same category as "Proprietary" and outright banning slop-generated content on their forum.
https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/changes-to-forum-rules-categories-for-llm-generated-content/19103
@WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina FreeBSD allows slop contributions
@analog_feelings @WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina In that FreeBSD pulls from upstreams, I guess. They specifically call out “AI” emitted code as the kind of low-quality stuff they don’t accept:
@bob_zim @WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina they call out AI code that hasn't been human reviewed, they have accepted code from anthropic written by claude.
@bob_zim @WiteWulf @nina_kali_nina OpenBSD has also fallen into the same fate of AI slop, which is ironic considering they pride themselves in security and vulnerability free code.
@analog_feelings @bob_zim @WiteWulf I've seen Theo saying it's uncopryightable and has no place in the project though?
@analog_feelings @bob_zim @WiteWulf one is fetched from upstream tmux, one is just reported by Claude, but it's pretty :<
@nina_kali_nina This is like asking which shovel is more like a love sonnet.
(For the record, I voted NetBSD because they have greater platform diversity, which seems philosophically gayer?)
@bytex64 indeed it is, and shovel lovers curious about poetry, as well as shovel-curious poetry lovers, will be able to answer. ;) which is exactly my point
@nina_kali_nina I did not expect this. Does that mean it's straight, or is everyone gay? 😅
@nina_kali_nina Super curious how your experience goes. I've gotten BSD-curious in the past and these were the two I settled on as what I might want to use.
But then, you know, learning a new system and everything. I just didn't have the spoons for it at the time.
@abmurrow I have an OpenBSD on my $50 Chromebook and it's pretty nice. But I'm a bit conflicted on their apolitical-ness stance. NetBSD in this aspect seems to be far more political
@nina_kali_nina @nuttx, kolibrios, @redox - plenty of choices to try after BSD flavors 🙂
@nina_kali_nina that's more than fair.
I misunderstood the use case - messing about vs daily driving it
@nina_kali_nina NETBSD works on the Wii and (I think) Amiga. Seems pretty gay to me (also pretty Gary, as my phone insisted)
@nina_kali_nina plan9 is downright homosexual
@zvava that IS true but I feel like I'm a bit too old to learn a non-Unix. Last time I tried to use it I couldn't imagine daily drive it
@nina_kali_nina
Cray CSOS is fairly unixy, but most importantly its hardware is Gayllium Arsenide based.
@zvava
@nina_kali_nina trans rights. :3
@netbsd @nina_kali_nina Absolutely based. That's a follow and a boost upwards in the list of OSes I like.
@mrmasterkeyboard @nina_kali_nina Don't know if I'd go as far as calling it based, it's a fairly basic stance. We have trans developers. They shouldn't suffer.
@netbsd @nina_kali_nina Yeah, I agree that it should be a default that trans people be respected and given their rights everywhere.
But it seems like some specific people, orgs, groups, governments, etc don't seem to want to do that... so it's really nice to see NetBSD not do what they do and instead publicly support our fellow trans peeps!
@nina_kali_nina it might be a struggle in some ways but I think you would have a good time with NetBSD
@nina_kali_nina @libreleah i know you have dome thoughts on this >.>
@lucy @nina_kali_nina does netbsd have librewolf?
EDIT: someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@libreleah @nina_kali_nina hmmm i dont think so?
@lucy @nina_kali_nina then i'm installing netbsd.
EDIT: someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@lucy @nina_kali_nina i already ported librewolf to openbsd. and freebsd already had it, added by someone else. netbsd doesn't have it, so now i want to add it there.
EDIT: someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@lucy @nina_kali_nina but i recommend openbsd by default. openbsd is the best IMO, for nearly every use-case scenario.
@lucy @nina_kali_nina btw https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/
EDIT:
someone already ported librewolf to netbsd: https://pkgsrc.se/wip/librewolf
@libreleah @lucy tbh I was planning to do it myself. It's not like these OSes have all the stuff that I need just yet, anyways. I hit a bit of a blocker with one sound thing in OpenBSD so I'm curious to see if it'll be as difficult to do in NetBSD or easier. Anyhow, I gotta try them all.
@libreleah @lucy @nina_kali_nina librewolf is in pkgsrc-wip. It’s a start, at least.
@AnachronistJohn @lucy @nina_kali_nina ah, then i will discontinue my curnent effort. i literally have a nearly complete librewolf port. but i will just delete it. cheers.
@libreleah @AnachronistJohn @lucy it might not be a bad idea to sync with the maintainer, at the very least? It's not clear who is doing that from the website, though...
@nina_kali_nina @libreleah @lucy I agree with Nina. Perhaps you’ve fixed more things, or in better ways than whoever originally did the pkgsrc work.
@AnachronistJohn @lucy @nina_kali_nina i'll think about it. got other stuff. i did notice that the netbsd effort still has some firefox things in it. but it's their work. let them get on with it.
still, despite all that, i stuck with it for about five years. not sure why I didn't switch to #gshock sooner :)
Switched to a cheap #CASIO 7 years ago because I got tired of needing reading glasses to use my watch. 😂
@hi have you heard about pebble watches?
Anyone know what circuit board this easter egg is from, and who made it? I'm trying to find a source to attribute.
Not the quote itself, I know that's from System Shock. I mean the board that had this printed on it. Looking at reverse image search, it's one of those meme images that's been around for ever and has gone through the social media human centipede so many times that the source is just "idk internet engagement farming bots".
I'm hoping the six degrees of separation thing works out, and someone recognizes the board and can tell me who to credit.
EDIT: solved in thread! It's an ACA1221ec accelerator card for the Amiga 1200, https://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1221ec and board pic at https://www.ppa.pl/graffiti/obrazek/4095/look-at-you-hacker . From the overview board pics, this is an easter egg that's hidden under the PLCC carrier socket for the accelerator's CPU, to see it you'd have to remove the CPU (and possibly the socket? But I think the intended socket has a hole in the center) in pursuit of some kind of righteous mischief.
Thank you fedi!
@danderson it's not the Open Book Project, which also features some extensive annotations on the silkscreen layer.
@danderson looks like it's this amiga 1200 accelerator board https://wiki.icomp.de/wiki/ACA1221ec
@danderson
Looking at C41 and C51 though something looks a little off, they look kind of sawn-off on the north side, and looks like the solder pad shorts across the south.
@danderson 1) might be late, 2) didn't read other commets just yet; i am not sure if it's the original source, but sounds a bit like system shock video game?
The text reminds of Peter Sinfield's lyrics:
But I gave you life!
WHAT ELSE COULD YOU DO?
To do what was right!
I'M PERFECT! ARE YOU?
(Emerson, Lake and Palmer,
Karn Evil 9, 3rd impression;
1973).
I had wondered about that, too, and hit the same wall of reposts. Glad to see someone figured it out
@hi gshock has a flashlight?
A Libreboot contributor added ThinkPad X280 support to Libreboot a while ago, but I never got round to setting up mine until today. No idea wtf I did wrong when *I* tried adding it, but hey, it works.
Thank you "AlguienSasaki" for adding it, and thank you Johann C. Rode for porting this wonderful ThinkPad to coreboot!
And I installed OpenBSD on mine. Because of course I did. Why the hell would I *not* install OpenBSD on every computer that I own? OpenBSD is the best thing since the telephone.
@libreleah was wondering… does replacing Lenovo BIOS with coreboot prevent some of the hardware to work or be recognised by an OS without modification? Or is this a drop-in replacement without blobs?
@joel no, everything still works just fine. linux/bsd will work nicely. no modification required.
i'm new to coreboot/liberboot. do i understand correctly libreboot is not compatible with modern thinkpads like t14 gen 3 (intel core i5 1245u)? and only works with older thinkpads?
@libreleah Huh. I once tried to put OpenBSD on a laptop (I can't remember if it was a thinkpad or a macbook) and the install went fine but I was never able to config a full GUI environment. I was repeatedly warned that daily driving OpenBSD in this way was not recommended. But I wanted to learn about BSD so I tried it (and failed). Maybe I will give it another shot. Thanks for the inspiration!
@jamesvasile @libreleah I hope whoever told you not to daily drive OpenBSD on a laptop is not still giving out advice, because that's absolutely garbage advice.
OpenBSD is really, really good on Thinkpads, older Intel Macbooks (pre T2 era), and pretty much any standard Intel or AMD PC. Their fork of Xorg (Xenocara) is in the base installation and out of the box the only thing you have to do to get an X desktop is answer "yes" to the question in installation asking if you want one, or if you answered "no" during installation you can (as root) "rcctl enable xenodm" and reboot.
OpenBSD is really good on the desktop because its developers run it as their workstations, i.e. they "dogfood" the OS so that they are able to see what is needed for all use cases and improve the OS accordingly.
If you'd like to follow a guide to setting up an Xfce desktop on OpenBSD, I wrote one a while back: https://www.kaidenshi.com/posts/openbsd-as-a-daily-driver/
...and there are other guides out there as well.
@kaidenshi @jamesvasile i can rickroll myself in 4k and use bittorrent. all my use cases are covered in openbsd.
this is me rickrolling myself at 4k in openbsd. i only have a 1080p screen, but the yt video is set to 4k. and this is openbsd, running on my librebooted x280. librewolf running in openbsd, running on libreboot, running on x280. yes.
i wanted to make sure my port compiled on at least one other machine than my main obsd dev machine. *now* i'm happy to submit this to the openbsd ports mailing list for review. yes. yes. yes.
@libreleah it also compiled on at least another one laptop - although this was the 7.8-stable branch ;-)
I have important news: my LibreWolf port for OpenBSD now *works perfectly*!
See: https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port
Latest patch: https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/commit/b66909dff671dfae9350b3db84c60b0a32cff9e9
I compiled the master branch on OpenBSD -current (7.9 snapshot).
I rewrote the port again, this time making only the most surgical changes relative to www/mozilla-firefox.
LibreWolf uses mozconfig, so OpenBSD CONFIGURE_ARGS has no effect; I provide a patched mozconfig at build time.
*Everything works*. I rocked out to some tunes, and read some news.
Just doing some minor polishing, ready for submission to openbsd ports team.
They're already in release mode, so who knows if this will land before OpenBSD 7.9. I hope I can get it in the release.
LibreWolf is similar enough to FireFox, and my port is conservatively-enough engineered relative to www/mozilla-firefox that it fits well into their infrastructure, with little friction. For all intents and purposes, it is essentially the same browser as FireFox, just without the enshittification.
My port is ready for submission; I will soon submit my port to the OpenBSD Ports Team for review.
This branch shows what I will send:
https://codeberg.org/vimuser/librewolf-openbsd-port/src/branch/submit1
Branch name labelled submit1, because I anticipate that they may ask for a few changes. So the expected 2nd draft would be sent to submit2, and then submit3, and so on.
Yes. With any luck, they *might* merge my patch for 7.9 - my changes, relative to www/mozilla-firefox, are quite conservative and done in the most surgical way possible.
@libreleah thanks for the port successfully tested on 7.9-beta!
@fcbsd i just woke up from my nap, having had a wonderful dream. and your screenshot is better than said dream. thank you.
@libreleah very nice. You plan to submit this to the official ports tree? I would love to give a package a try
Mom is retiring. Says she wants to learn to program. #uxn here we come! All mainstream platforms suck!
She's into weaving, so I've decided we're gonna do a game of life simulation and then she can use it as a weaving pattern. Nice to find something practical to work towards rather than endless theory.
There is no airflow whatsoever inside the ROLM militarized version of the DG Nova, so the IC's and other components straddle metal bars that conduct heat to the edge of the board, and from there to outside the chassis.
Testing out a fun experiment of running a variation of my existing website locally.
What's cool about it?
- Served off a Raspberry Pi Zero 1.3
- Running entirely in RAM (thanks Alpine!)
- Web server -> darkhttpd
- Has a tiny ~$4/year VPS in front of it handling the TLS termination
I'm sure things will explode if too many visitors slammed the poor little Pi, but I think regular traffic would be completely fine ;)
If interested: https://zero.btxx.org
PS. sorry if it falls over!
@bt that's something very cool! Can you please elaborate on the necessity of VPS for it?
@alexeystar You don’t actually need it - I just didn’t want to put more strain on the limited Pi. It also hides the ISP IP (which isn’t a big deal)
@bt I think I got the idea, thanks. What's the power consumption? Do you think it could run solely on solar power?
@bt Nice job, Bradley! 👀 How are Internet users able to access your local device (I'm curious how external users are able to connect to your local IP address - domain name resolution, etc.)? Is it possible to point an offsite VPS to your own local server device to serve up Web pages? If so, this seems like a very inexpensive way to connect the Internet to a personal Web server. 👍 I might have to look into that 5G cellular router / access point / hotspot T-Mobile keeps marketing to me 😄
"Is it possible to point an offsite VPS to your own local server device to serve up Web pages?"
^ This is exactly what I'm doing! I'm testing things out and planning to switch my main website over completely (if everything goes well). Then I'll write up a detailed post so others can replicate it 👍
@bt Thanks for the quick reply, and good luck setting everything up! 🤞 I look forward to reading your future post ✌😄
@bt nice project, loads fine fo me. where did you get that $4 vps
Tierhive: https://tierhive.com/
Still in alpha, so be careful with “important” services. Been awesome for me so far.
@bt works great. Also really like the design of your site. I'm building a site with a similar style myself at the moment.
@bt I've been using the "tiny VPS for TLS termination" and wireguard with all my homelab-hosted services (incl. this Mastodon instance) for a couple years now and it's amazing, definitely beats dealing with DynDNS or fighting for a static IP at the provider level (that can change whenever you move etc.).
I've been long thinking about implementing firewalling/caching and other mitigations to stop the VPS DoSing my home internet in case of overwhelming load or a DDoS attack, and it's totally doable ...if you can find the time to set it up.
@bt homelab! Nice. Didn’t know pi zero was enough to host a site. I’m running two hp elite/pro desk for my personal site. Maybe I need to down scale.
There were some small disturbances over the last 48 hours. Following the upgrade to #OpenBSD 7.8 our VM host server was hit by a vio interrupt handling issue in vmd which caused lots of error messages getting logged which filled up the /var partition which somehow killed httpd and we were left with a half-working system.
This cascade of bugs has been addressed at the root now. We are running a patched vmd to solve the vio interrupt problem and it seems the issue can no longer be triggered. Many thanks to Dave Voutila for looking into the problem for us and providing a fix we could test.
We can now go back to being boring and stable as usual.
Age verification is a deliberate attack on system sovereignty, both for individuals and countries. There’s no “age verifcation”, there is only “identity verification that includes age”, and the system doing that verification is not just a privacy-invasive user tracking system but a remotely controlled off switch for anyone of any age.
@jimfl that article is so on point, I tried to buy a new backpack before having to make it, and there's just nothing out there. It's wild.
It's really nice to know that we can buy parts compatible with a 45 years old furler.
This is a new fitting connected to the original socket, I realize that thread sizes have standardized a long time ago, but still, aren't we fortunate to live in such a world that these don't change every 5 years..
@neauoire I feel this so much, when standards mean something will actually be there for a long time. I love to be able to use my grandpa's tools to fix things around the house and to go to a hardware shop to get what I need with just a quick measurement. I miss with engineering meant something, meant accountability and planning. A nice reminder that we collectively did this and how much work we have ahead of us.
but the actual place to patch is mozconfig (file) in the root of the extracted tarball directory
i... couldn't find this in git grep earlier, because of .gitignore. so i found it manually. librewolf's build system was still adding the malloc-replace options. it should work now.
this is literally the only problem with the librewolf port. needing to disable mozjemalloc. then it should work.
FUN FACT: i hate mozilla.
absolutely bird-brained build system. gnu autotools, plus mozilla = pain
i feel like the french guy in the matrix, when he just keeps saying "ass of shit, motherfucker, piece of shit" and so on, repeatedly, in french (that's what he's saying to neo when he says he loves the french language because of how cursing with it is like, and i quote, "rubbing your ass in silk")
Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère, firefox.
yes.
Adding configure options from /home/leah/portdev/ports-pobj/librewolf-149.0.2/librewolf-149.0.2-2/mozconfig
--enable-application=browser
--allow-addon-sideload
--disable-crashreporter
--disable-debug
--disable-default-browser-agent
--disable-tests
--disable-updater
--disable-cargo-incremental
--enable-hardening
--enable-stl-hardening
--enable-optimize
--enable-release
--enable-rust-simd
--with-app-name=librewolf
^ no --enable-replace-malloc or --enable-jemalloc
yay
because librewofl uses a mozconfig, the cli-based configure options in www/mozilla-firefox are useless for librewolf.
but i can't just patch mozconfig, because variables like e.g. $PREFIX are used by openbsd ports.
what i have to do then: put a custom mozconfig is files/
have e.g. @PREFIX@ in there, and sed search/replace with the variable
do this in pre-configure, in the Makefile. that's my next job.
yes. i *will* tame this ungodly build system.
there is a lot of overlap. openbsd's firefox port already adds a bunch of hardened autoconf (./configure) options, that librewolf also does. librewolf and openbsd are two peas in a pod.
it baffles me that nobody tried porting librewolf before i did. i mean, someone did, but i'm unsure if they sent it to openbsd. they simply maintained a package repo themselves, but stopped after obsd 7.1
i couldn't find their sources anymore, so i started from scratch, with my own fresh librewolf port.
Wow. Nice! 🙂🖖
I do need to try one of the BSD's one day.
Which one would be better for someone unfamiliar with this OS? 🙂
@simonzerafa all the BSDs are great, but openbsd is my favourite one, because it's the easiest one to use in my opinion. they simplify a lot of of options and remove a lot of knobs, and they just make everything as generally efficient as possible. i don't want to have to think about my operating system, i just want everything important to already be done for me - especially security-related things, which openbsd excels at.
openbsd has some limitations that do not concern *me* personally. ymmv.
@simonzerafa GhostBSD uses xlibre, which is maintained by someone who doesn't know how the bitshift operator works in C, or how it differs to XOR, so no, i wouldn't use ghostBSD at all.
Oh, dear. Well I did learn that in entry Computer Science classes in 1984 so seems best avoided then 😕
@simonzerafa also xlibre is maintained by neo-nazis (they repeatedly say racist shit on their github, and xlibre's maintainer literally posted on the devuan mailing list expressing support for nazis in 2018).
so even if xlibre was maintained by technically literate people, which it isn't, they're also nazis. so even then, i still wouldn't use GhostBSD
xlibre is a fork of xorg btw. i initially got excited about the prospect when it first came out, until i learned that they're all neo-nazis.
@simonzerafa @libreleah I'd say OpenBSD is probably the easiest, as it has a simple line-by-line installer and graphic out-of-the-box (either choose "yes" when asked about xenodm(1), or run startx when you log in). However, in my experience, this BSD tended to be a somewhat sluggish at times (they prioritise security over performance, which is fair).
FreeBSD, NetBSD, and DragonFly BSD are a little more complex, but if you're familiar with setting up a system mostly from scratch you should be fine.
However, bear in mind that FreeBSD has been recently accepting AI-generated patches.
MidnightBSD is a little odd. Some of the features are neat, but there are a few that seem a little strange to me. They also added age declaration, which doesn't sit well with me.
HardenedBSD is quite good. Basically just FreeBSD with additional security hardening (e.g. PaX); but the installation can be hit-or-miss, in my experience, and those AI-generated patches from upstream will be present.
Ultimately I would need an OS that does basic productivity tasks without being Windows.
Currently working with CachyOS Linux which seems like it will do the trick, once I've worked out why the 1 TByte SSD boot drive seems constantly full 🤣
@simonzerafa @470m i find that openbsd does basically everything i need. it has limitations eg:
* no multilib (think: no wine, and old proprietary games on steam)
* no journaling/cow in its filesystem. fsck like its 2005 - i/o heavy operations that rely on cache for speed, will falter on obsd. not too bad though.
* actually good wifi support, but not as great as linux
* wayland not stable yet - but meh, xorg/xenocara is fine.
* NO bluetooth support (at all)
other minor stuff. like i said, ymmv
@simonzerafa @470m it also doesn't have as many hardware hacks as linux. like, my KVM switch for example, aggressively fakes the EDID for compatibility, and openbsd only detects that i can have 1080p. i have to set a custom modeline in xorg to get 1440p, then it works. no big deal, but linux auto-detects 1440p just fine (it pokes real EDID aggressively)
on my system (dell optiplex 9020 sff with libreboot), hdmi audio doesn't work at all in openbsd. works fine on linux.
like i said
YMMV!!!!!!!
@simonzerafa @470m yeah and like, for the big stuff, openbsd is actually pretty good. AVOID nvidia graphics cards with openbsd, they are NEVER going to work (unless someone ports nvk/nouveau).
it has excellent ports of the amd and intel video drivers from linux. happy days. idk, the nvidia situation might improve perhaps?
openbsd has pretty amazing support for the typical hardware you'd use... but then you find that lots of super random peripherals don't work (at all).
your mileage may vary!!
@simonzerafa @470m the SOLUTION, for a happy life and a good mental health, is to do what i do:
only use ten year old junk. then openbsd will work perfectly at all times.
@simonzerafa @470m yeah but like, my DragonFly Red USB DAC works perfectly. so i can bang out tunes on my nice AKG headphones
but...... openbsd sndio either has weak buffering or no buffering, because when my system is under heavy load, audio starts to sound like a murderous robot from a bad 1960s movie.
i can tweak that (would increase latency), but meh.
lots and lots of rough edges that linux / other BSDs probably smooth over, aren't done in openbsd. you must tweak it. but i daily drive it.
@simonzerafa @470m openbsd is also extremely conservative about things you take for granted on e.g. linux
for example: in /etc/login.conf you will find very austere limits on memory, file descriptors, etc. i don't remember exactly what it was, but i think it was something like 1GB or something, for a program/user. i had to tweak memory / file descriptor limits, to use all of my RAM, and open more than... 128 files at a time or whatever it was.
(otherwise my librewolf builds just fail horribly)
@simonzerafa @470m this makes sense. if you have a runaway process that starts using lots and lots of memory and opening lots and lots of files, you don't want it to bring down your entire system right?
on linux, stuff like that will ruin your day. openbsd gives you sanity by default. but yeah. if you want to allocate 8GB of memory in your program, openbsd is not going to let you do that at all, by default :)
@simonzerafa @470m fortunately, openbsd has the best documentation. actually understandable manpages, and an excellent FAQ section. you can learn everything about it without searching on google. they document everything *well*, better than any other system i've ever used.
but yeah, openbsd isn't linux. if you've got a linux brain, you will need re-education before you can comfortably use openbsd in production.
always remember to read the manuals, carefully. openbsd expects you to read manuals.
@simonzerafa @470m and i now wish to be ten thousand percent clear:
i am not saying these things to criticise openbsd. these things are *why* i like openbsd. linux distros make a million assumptions about you and take you for a ride. i regard the linux model of open source as akin to being dragged along a dirt road. linux users don't notice it until they use a bsd. and bsd seems hard at first.
but then you read the manuals. and then you learn how your system works. you become a better person.
@libreleah been there, done that. It used to be even worse! http://highlandsun.com/hyc/#mozilla
Just posting to say "I know your pain". Wrestling with disabling jemalloc so I could do proper memory leak detection, shudder.
Good luck...