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[?]roman » 🌐
@hi@romanzolotarev.com

are batteries ?

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    [?]Tomáš » 🌐
    @prahou@merveilles.town

    @hi Great question! I don't know! Let's hope someone can chime in.

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      [?]viq [he/him] » 🔓
      @viq@social.hackerspace.pl

      @prahou
      I guess it depends on type? Rechargeable, allowing you to separate production and consumption, sound like should be.

      Single use chemical power... Depends on context, I guess, there might be uses where they might, but in general my answer would be no. 🤔
      @hi

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        [?]Jourei » 🔓
        @Jourei@mas.to

        @viq @prahou @hi Dang good question. Rechargeable? I'd say yes in nearly all cases.

          [?]Natanox 🔜 #40C3 » 🌐
          @Natanox@chaos.social

          @hi @prahou Sure, why not. Sodium-Ion (Na+) batteries are perfectly compatible with Solarpunk to my knowledge.

            [?]mohs » 🌐
            @mohs@climatejustice.social

            @hi @prahou I would argue that any tech, that does not produce waste during it's usage period is solar punk.

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              [?]Tomáš » 🌐
              @prahou@merveilles.town

              @mohs @hi sounds good! added!

                [?]Philip » 🌐
                @twinkles@masto.colonelkrud.com

                @mohs @hi @prahou I dunno, flock cameras don't produce "waste" and they don't fell very solarpunk to me

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                  [?]Tomáš » 🌐
                  @prahou@merveilles.town

                  @twinkles @mohs @hi Good point! I will change it to maybe until we can figure this out. And I will add flock cameras as not solarpunk.

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                    [?]Philip » 🌐
                    @twinkles@masto.colonelkrud.com

                    @prahou @mohs @hi Any tech that *does* produce (non reusable/recyclable) waste during its normal operation probably *isn't* solarpunk though

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                      [?]Ozzelot :ai_free: [they/he/any] » 🔓
                      @ozzelot@mstdn.social

                      @prahou
                      flock cameras produce cops, who are a type of waste
                      @twinkles @mohs @hi

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                        [?]Philip » 🔓
                        @twinkles@masto.colonelkrud.com

                        @ozzelot @prahou @mohs @hi we had cops well before flock cameras though?

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                          [?]Ozzelot :ai_free: [they/he/any] » 🔓
                          @ozzelot@mstdn.social

                          @twinkles
                          cops are not solarpunk
                          @prahou @mohs @hi

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                            [?]Philip » 🔓
                            @twinkles@masto.colonelkrud.com

                            @ozzelot @prahou @mohs @hi after all they produce flock cameras which are a form of waste

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                              [?]mangofeet » 🌐
                              @mangofeet@fedia.io

                              their hardware kinda is though, no? so a hacked and repurposed ALPR would be quite solarpunk.

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                                [?]Tomáš » 🌐
                                @prahou@merveilles.town

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                                  [?]mangofeet » 🌐
                                  @mangofeet@fedia.io

                                  automated license plate reader, so flock cameras and all the other brands

                                  flock is to alpr as kleenex is to facial tissue

                                  would be funny to have “a hacked and repurposed flock camera” under “flock cameras” in the list 😂

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                                    [?]Philip » 🌐
                                    @twinkles@masto.colonelkrud.com

                                    @mangofeet @prahou @hi @mohs hacking fascist tech is solarpunk

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                                      [?]Tim Ch-AI-se (now with bonus spooky) 👻 » 🌐
                                      @gumnos@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                      @mohs

                                      Sounds like the "maintaining old tech rather than throwing it away and buying something new"-is-solarpunk contribution I planned to add. 👍

                                      @hi @prahou

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                                        [?]mohs » 🌐
                                        @mohs@climatejustice.social

                                        @gumnos @hi @prahou yes, but I think that this argument will not be able to stand alone, as a tech could have a very wasteful impact during production or after it's usage period. It also does not say how long each period is. So it would be one constraint to flag a tech as solarpunk, but certainly not the only one.

                                          [?]Kropotkinson (we are all 🇵🇸) » 🌐
                                          @amici@fribygda.no

                                          @hi @prahou

                                          I feel like this debate is a little simplistic in its ambition, but when it comes to batteries, renewable lithium batteries may be a necessary transitory stage away from fossil fuels, but sodium batteries, based on abundant resources which do not require lots of environmentally destructive mining, is a better choice for solarpunk

                                            [?]llafgorf » 🌐
                                            @llafgorf@mastodon.social

                                            @hi @prahou I would say that Organic Flow Batteries could be far more Solarpunk
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